Blackrock TBC crossrealm fiesta

[Deephya]

Ok, have some time to respond now.

Here's a screenshot from S2 classic TBC, so I'll just skip over the first couple paragraphs there since we've both proven ourselves to have credibility to speak on the PvP community meta. https://imgur.com/a/tAEmDYI

1) I'd be careful using words like "nobody" because clearly that's not the case. There are a ton of mixed opinions on this addition

2) Your point on trinkets, again ignoring the fact that you think I haven't played at that level, is very flawed. The first instance we can see a trinket *maybe* make some sort of significant difference is with skull of gul'dan in S3. Even then, you should know from experience that a 1500 player with skull, will not turn into a 2200 player because they have skull. The counter-point to the argument of the way gear is acquired on blackrock is that "it will make the game impossible to play for people on Onyxia". That's not true.

3) Your point around Rank 1 players meeting other Rank 1 players is also flawed for a few reasons:
- These matchups don't matter until end of season pushes anyway, wherein everyone will be equal in gear (you should know this from your R1 pushes)
- We can expect most (not all, of course) R1 players to be playing on blackrock, so they'll be even and separated from the vast majority of Onyxia players

4) The notion that people who have not spent months on this vanilla server cannot have an opinion about the next expansion is ridiculous and childish. Why you are choosing to die in this hill when Onyxia has an item shop where you can go in right now and buy anything you want with a credit card, and has 5x exp is beyond be. You chose to spend months PvEing on a private vanilla server. Vanilla doesn't have arena, TBC does. And TBC is bringing in a lot of new faces because of that. Faces that have valid opinions on TBC Arena. Nobody is trying to ruin your community, the TBC arena players that don't have time to level and raid just want to play the game.

The majority of you players on Onyxia will not be affected by this. It won't affect the ENTIRE side of the Leveling, Raiding, or PvE experience.

Fair enough that you have a different opinion, but you using "I've been here longer so your opinion is not valid" is wild. You argue for servers to be alive and well, but you knock down others who are trying to join? You're personally offended saying "how dare you"? Buddy, this is a private classic WoW server, let's be realistic and take it down a few notches. We're here to play a game. The PvPers that will join blackrock couldn't play, now they can. Onyxia still has its community, unaffected PvE scene, and a more robust PvP scene.

This is a fantastic decision by Warmane that will invite many new players to play on their server, and interact with the tools they have available on their site.

Love you dude! Well spoken, its a huge welcome to pvp players.
Also one more thing, if anyone is actually loosing games and in the end titles because of this...there's always the possibility of creating a char on blackrock. If anything it makes the pvp scene more competitive.
What if I'm trying to get my BiS trinket all season on Onyxia and I just cant get it, now I loose my R1 due to this.
Now I log blackrock and have a BiS geared char to push.

Great Opportunity and a welcome addition :)

[Sunite14]

Exactly this. The arena realm will make the arena scene 90% more active. it's a no brainer.

Can you post link to those data? I had an impresion that TBC arena realm won't survive on it's own as stated above and needs to be xrealm...Now you are claiming that it will boost activity by 90% on a realm with 5k population on "dead" patch... Surely such a realm will survive on it's own and biggest PvPers in the universe can fight each other no?

Or is it other way around? You need Onyxia to dodge your way to the top and farm some begginers to boost your ego?

Make Blackrock TBC and don't even bring Onyxia into discusion.

We are fine. BGs are poping and surely with TBC there will be enough arena activity either way we will manage without shortcutters.

Best regards!

[Sunite14]

4) The notion that people who have not spent months on this vanilla server cannot have an opinion about the next expansion is ridiculous and childish. Why you are choosing to die in this hill when Onyxia has an item shop where you can go in right now and buy anything you want with a credit card, and has 5x exp is beyond be. You chose to spend months PvEing on a private vanilla server. Vanilla doesn't have arena, TBC does. And TBC is bringing in a lot of new faces because of that. Faces that have valid opinions on TBC Arena. Nobody is trying to ruin your community, the TBC arena players that don't have time to level and raid just want to play the game.

This is exactly why we are entitled to "I've been here longer so your opinion is not valid".

You have no idea how shop works.
You have no idea how PvP community nor queue time on Onyxia looks like.
You are only defending your own interestes. As have we, however the difference is, we joined this server year ago and there was no such a plan for xrealm (If it has, me and many people that I brought over wouldn't join in a first place). Now you come here and tell us what is best for Onyxia, weird don't you think? So yeah we don't want anything to do with Blackrock, however we as stated many times, let Blackrock TBC be and you can PvP with PvPers who don't have time for the full WoW experience.

Or could it be do you need us more than we need you?

Best regards!

[Blakeatron]

This is exactly why we are entitled to "I've been here longer so your opinion is not valid".

You have no idea how shop works.
You have no idea how PvP community nor queue time on Onyxia looks like.
You are only defending your own interestes. As have we, however the difference is, we joined this server year ago and there was no such a plan for xrealm (If it has, me and many people that I brought over wouldn't join in a first place). Now you come here and tell us what is best for Onyxia, weird don't you think? So yeah we don't want anything to do with Blackrock, however we as stated many times, let Blackrock TBC be and you can PvP with PvPers who don't have time for the full WoW experience.

Or could it be do you need us more than we need you?

Best regards!

- What am I not understanding about the shop exactly?
- I just saw a screenshot the other day in discord where someone had a 6 hour AB queue. I've also been doing BGs so I've got the general notion of the drop off that's happened. A healthy PvP community wouldn't need people spamming "Queue AB" or "Queue AV" in trade chat.
- There was no plan, now there is. Change happens. Warmane devs are going to do what they feel is right. If you're dying on the hill of "I wouldn't have played this server for the last year if I knew a TBC tournament realm would be added in the next expansion", then you're not being realistic, or you're just straight up lying to try to prove some weird point.

[Blakeatron]

We are fine. BGs are poping and surely with TBC there will be enough arena activity either way we will manage without shortcutters.

Oh look what I found. 4 hours, not 6. You were saying? https://imgur.com/a/POuRuLa

Best regards!

[Santori]

if you fear youre going to loose because of gear you can always create a char on blackrock as well.

Its really weird how people actually think this would kill the progressive onyxia realm.

Spot the mistake.

Too many of you "soon to play on Blackrock" guys want to force Onyxia players to play arenas in the same bracket as you. All your arguments are nonsense, except for the one where "Blackrock maybe wouldnt stay alive on its own". But here again, why should that be our concern, there is a realm where you can play with thousands of active players - its called Onyxia.

You dont want the 100h chores? Well, we dont want the instant 70s. Stick to your own group, fair enough.

Oh look what I found. 4 hours, not 6. You were saying? https://imgur.com/a/POuRuLa

Best regards!

Dont go down that path, you are making yourself look dumb. Everyone on Onyxia knows why PvP is dead and even if there werent some mistakes in the past, why would anyone play PvP now when honor/marks get reset and we move into a new xpac.

[Sunite14]

- What am I not understanding about the shop exactly?
- I just saw a screenshot the other day in discord where someone had a 6 hour AB queue. I've also been doing BGs so I've got the general notion of the drop off that's happened. A healthy PvP community wouldn't need people spamming "Queue AB" or "Queue AV" in trade chat.
- There was no plan, now there is. Change happens. Warmane devs are going to do what they feel is right. If you're dying on the hill of "I wouldn't have played this server for the last year if I knew a TBC tournament realm would be added in the next expansion", then you're not being realistic, or you're just straight up lying to try to prove some weird point.

We will see about that. Not sure if Warmane devs are so stupid to trade couple loyal guild that have been here from start for few PvPers who won't even keep alive single realm.

[verksm]

The main reason <rat> was created on Onyxia was to play TBC together. Up to now, everything we've done has been out of boredom and because our characters were locked with world buffs, due to Warmane’s decision to tune PvE content this way without offering a boon option.

After a year of building a community and progressing our characters toward TBC, if we're now going to face instant level 70 premade characters that can acquire hard-earned PvE items from a vendor then I can assure you, <rat> won’t be the only guild considering other places to spend their time.

If PvP queue times on Onyxia becomes an issue, make a change. This decision feels completely out of touch from what the majority of the Onyxia community wants and what the realm was originally meant to offer.

// Disappointed rats >:(

so cringe to threaten quitting the game over something like this, we all know all of you will continue playing anyway

[Blakeatron]

Spot the mistake.

Too many of you "soon to play on Blackrock" guys want to force Onyxia players to play arenas in the same bracket as you. All your arguments are nonsense, except for the one where "Blackrock maybe wouldnt stay alive on its own". But here again, why should that be our concern, there is a realm where you can play with thousands of active players - its called Onyxia.

You dont want the 100h chores? Well, we dont want the instant 70s. Stick to your own group, fair enough.



Dont go down that path, you are making yourself look dumb. Everyone on Onyxia knows why PvP is dead and even if there werent some mistakes in the past, why would anyone play PvP now when honor/marks get reset and we move into a new xpac.

I get that you're upset that others will get for free what you will end up slaving for (to be clear, levels and professions, not gear. We still need to do the same amount of BGs and arenas that you do to get gear), but that in no way affects the quality of BGs and Arenas from enabling cross-realm play.

You're choosing to go the hard route because you like to PvE as well. There's an easy route if you only want to PvP, it's that simple. Figure out a way to come to terms with the fact that not everyone likes to mindlessly grind PvE content like you do, and we'll see you in the arena. And hopefully cut down that queue time from 4 hours :)

[Sunite14]

I get that you're upset that others will get for free what you will end up slaving for (to be clear, levels and professions, not gear. We still need to do the same amount of BGs and arenas that you do to get gear), but that in no way affects the quality of BGs and Arenas from enabling cross-realm play.

You're choosing to go the hard route because you like to PvE as well. There's an easy route if you only want to PvP, it's that simple. Figure out a way to come to terms with the fact that not everyone likes to mindlessly grind PvE content like you do, and we'll see you in the arena. And hopefully cut down that queue time from 4 hours :)

Yeah you need Onyxia to cut that 4h waiting time for your future 200 people realm not the other way around.
Let's see how long that realm going to last.

Again, we are fine with Blackrock TBC. Just don't bring Onyxia into your wishes.

Best regards!

[Santori]

I get that you're upset that others will get for free what you will end up slaving for (to be clear, levels and professions, not gear. We still need to do the same amount of BGs and arenas that you do to get gear), but that in no way affects the quality of BGs and Arenas from enabling cross-realm play.

You're choosing to go the hard route because you like to PvE as well. There's an easy route if you only want to PvP, it's that simple. Figure out a way to come to terms with the fact that not everyone likes to mindlessly grind PvE content like you do, and we'll see you in the arena. And hopefully cut down that queue time from 4 hours :)

Actually, no. It is quite possible for me to NEVER get my PvE BiS items, depending on RNG, while you can calculate how to get your gear.

No one is forcing you to play PvE. But if you dont want to play PvE with me, why would i be forced to play PvP with you?

Play with your PvP only buddies, disappear after a few weeks or months, we dont care - but dont belittle the people which were here way longer and have legit concerns based on facts. You didnt have to bother with this realm and struggle to find people to do stuff with because of some questionable decisions.

[popalmn]

From a risk / reward perspective I'd argue there's less for the Onyxia server to gain than what it stands to lose.

We are making an assumption that the que time needs help when we get into TBC.

We can also take a look at some of the risks of merging, ASIDE from the Arena / BG discussion.

A player wanting to PVP on Onyxia has to participate in some manner in order to get to the point of arenas etc. The leveling process is one, running dungeons with randoms, questing in the open world or even buying boosts from players established on the server.
This contributes to the over all server pop and economy as well as the experience of other players than just the PVP scene. This is also true for proffessions and pve loot. Interacting with other players to get enchants, rep farming. The list goes on.

Blackrock merging with Onyxia negates all of this.

It is not only the ick feeling some players might experience with the insta 70, "easier" gear etc. It's the loss of a player for the server.

And sure the ppl who do not want to do the grind to get their pvp might opt out. My guess is that Onyxia is fine with that.

The problem is that merging might rob Onyxia of the people who joined based on the original premise, and that Onyxia might be continually robbed of people who'd rather take the quick route.

I am of the opinion that Onyxia does not need Blackrock, hence the risk is not worth it.

[Blakeatron]

Actually, no. It is quite possible for me to NEVER get my PvE BiS items, depending on RNG, while you can calculate how to get your gear.

Yeah man welcome to WoW. Can you let me know which item specifically will turn a 1500 player into a 2200 player in TBC arena to which this point matters at all?

[Vareesa]

I get that you're upset that others will get for free what you will end up slaving for (to be clear, levels and professions, not gear. We still need to do the same amount of BGs and arenas that you do to get gear), but that in no way affects the quality of BGs and Arenas from enabling cross-realm play.

You're choosing to go the hard route because you like to PvE as well. There's an easy route if you only want to PvP, it's that simple. Figure out a way to come to terms with the fact that not everyone likes to mindlessly grind PvE content like you do, and we'll see you in the arena. And hopefully cut down that queue time from 4 hours :)

What are you even talking about? You are only trying to justify your self view. Let's just pretend all your points are valid. You keep ignoring (or rather dodging) the most important fact.
We - people from Onyxia, don't want this cross realm. People presenting whole guilds said that many times in this topic already. Then you and other people come and "laugh" how we are pathetic to quit over something like this etc.
Stop pretending and trying to persuade other people how this will be good for Onyxia, when people from Onyxia tell you otherwise. You want Blackrock TBC? Sure. Just don't drag Onyxia realm into this Blackrock merge. It is not our problem that Blackrock TBC might die on it's own.
Onyxia won't die on it's own. We are happy as it is. We don't need and don't want to "help" Blackrock TBC survive. Why should it even concern us?

People came on Onyxia with progressive realm and fair environment in mind. This cross-realm would absolutely ruin it.

[Blakeatron]

What are you even talking about? You are only trying to justify your self view. Let's just pretend all your points are valid. You keep ignoring (or rather dodging) the most important fact.
We - people from Onyxia, don't want this cross realm. People presenting whole guilds said that many times in this topic already. Then you and other people come and "laugh" how we are pathetic to quit over something like this etc.
Stop pretending and trying to persuade other people how this will be good for Onyxia, when people from Onyxia tell you otherwise. You want Blackrock TBC? Sure. Just don't drag Onyxia realm into this Blackrock merge. It is not our problem that Blackrock TBC might die on it's own.
Onyxia won't die on it's own. We are happy as it is. We don't need and don't want to "help" Blackrock TBC survive. Why should it even concern us?

People came on Onyxia with progressive realm and fair environment in mind. This cross-realm would absolutely ruin it.

"A fair environment" is a crazy thing to say on a server with an item shop. You do know that, right?