Today I was bored and I decided to do an experiment. I played Alliance and Horde simultaneously in BG. I played a BM Hunter on Ally and a Holy Paly on Horde. I started about 11 PM server time. I defended/captured towers, ran flags, protected flag carriers, killed flag carrier etc. I did every thing I normally would do, but on 2 characters at the same time on opposite faction.
Before I get to my results Here is some differences between the factions I saw. It isn't to be taken serious or literal. The experiment doesn't define a faction. Just the outcome of what I saw. Here is some differences and similarities:
-Both sides complain about under geared players
-Both sides say something when players rush the flag in EOTS.
-Ally focuses more on defense. Horde seems to have some unwritten rule that only 1 person can defend in AB. If I see a lone Horde defender at the mine I will go help them out. But after 30-45 secs they will leave me alone there. Like it's taboo to have more than 1 defender. Ally constantly had 2-3 defenders at most points.
-Both sides are easily distracted. When a flag carrier is being escorted by 3-6 friendly I liek to do something. I run thru the middle of them on my mount and get them to chase me. Almost every time the flag carriers entourage will peel off of him and chase me. Leaving the flag carrier alone and vulnerable. Both sides chased me numerous times while their flag carrier got killed.
-Usually under geared Horde won't pick up the flag in WSG or Twin Peaks. They will let the higher geared people carry the flag. On ally they don't. It's like a free for all. I think Ally focuses more on speed than survivability. Like a druid is eager to get the flag becasue hes "fast" but will be 3 shotted. On Horde if 3-4 360+ players are at the flag, they will stand there and make sure the player with the most survivability picks it up.
-During big battles (5vs5) you can usually always count on a Horde healer being part of the battle. But on Ally it's usually all dps. But I believe this is because of the defense. Healers tend to defend more than DPS on both sides. Horde just seems to have a disposable healer following the mob.
-Both sides seemed to have a equal amount of afkers. Anywhere from 0-3 akers.
-Ally never seems to quit. If they are losing a WSG 0-2 they will try their hardest to still win. No matter how hopeless. Some Horde seem to give up after 1 flag cap in WSG or Twin Peaks.
-Horde chats way more in BG than Ally. It's not always nice chat. But Ally chat is almost non existent.
Overall it was fun on Horde and Ally. Each side had some difference but overall it wasn't very difficult to win on either side. It took more effort to win on Horde, but not that much more effort.
I played 20 games. 10 on each side at the same time.
On Alliance I won all 10 games.
On Horde I won 8 of 10
I never saw myself in any BG. But I did que at the exact same time. Horde has quicker ques. Only by a minute or so.
I only really lost 1 game on Horde. It was an EOTS (thank you flag rushers). The other loss I joined a losing game (also EOTS).
I realize my experiment has all sorts of flaws. Such as factions are different at different times of the day. Also it's kinda luck to get into a winning or losing rotation in rbg. Normally I will que dodge crappy teams but today I didn't. I just happen to get into 2 winning cycles. After 5 games I waited to que to get another random cycle. I tried to find a losing cycle on both sides but I didn't find any.
Try it sometime, it's fun.
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Who wins BG more? (The BG experiment)
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Member
alterac valley please molten.
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KittenMittensGuest
missing arena maps > missing bg maps
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Member
Those arena maps will never come back cuz they removed it. Alot of players complained about it and they got what they wanted, 3 arena maps to pillar hug all the time.
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KittenMittensGuest
removed because of los/bug issues
can grip/fear/poly/scatter/charge/step etc under the map on all the available ones, and the los in a few parts of them is still screwy
lordaeron, on wotlk i rarely get that map on cata, is the most horrible map ever invented, 5000000x worse than sewers
always texturing, always losing, and lots of 'theres no path available' **** aswell,
even the doorways give 'los' grief sometimes, although thats more on cata
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whose that monkey in ur avatar?
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Member
I liked how you changed the subject.
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Member
threads going to turn into a flame/drama war anywayz :/
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I was just in a bg with 10 dk's all they did was stand in 1 spot and pulled people under the map.
guess thats 1 way of winning a bg
not a single kb the whole game on either team
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SyphlexGuest
Those 3 quotes I find a problem with.
Quote 1:
Most of the time when I do BGs, there are absolutly ZERO horde defending 90% of the time, usually its cap and run in any bg with bases. If you see someone defending you are lucky. But everything else I agree with
Quote 2:
Undergeared people pick up the flag, they seriously dont care. You just got lucky and saw how the more geared players outran them to the flag. I saw a flagger in WSG about an hour ago with 50k health on horde side. You most likely saw a group of friends or experienced players.
Quote 3:
IF horde has a healer, he is disposable, I hate healing BGs because nobody helps the healer in horde, nobody CCs the allies or gets them off the healer, but also about 90% of the time I see alliance having healers and horde not having any (I dont count ******s with 50k mana and 60k hp as a healer).
When I did BGs today, we had 6/15 people afking because alliance captured 3 bases and defended rather than capping and leaving the base alone like horde does, then after someone said "just let them win" half the people went afk >_>. Yesterday a GM actually whispered me when I said something on global about the afkers, he asked for player names and checked them out, the one guy almost immediately received a ban. (awesome GM you know who you are!).
If horde plays a BG with bases, simply take a rogue, wait near a base for 1-3 mins and it will be empty. then you cap it and stealth.
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SyphlexGuest
I hate that, tried sniping in WSG earlier from the roof with a clear LoS and it said I dont have LoS >_>
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Member
That is what I always do. When I dont do premade and queue alone, I always go BS alone (as an ally rog) and wait all horde to rush to ST from BS and then take it. 90% works.
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SyphlexGuest
Was in a BG again today where horde had 0 healers and alliance had 4/10 healers. 1 pala 2 priests and a shammy. Your argument saying horde always has a healer in the group is invalid
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I find this interesting but lacks further data. From what I've gathered from about... 2k BGs is this:
Hordes usually have more healers that gives them a crazy advantage in most BGs.
When allies got some healers they tend to outperform hordes even if horde healers are better ( I said tend, there are groups and groups people :P)
Good players tend to quit equally in both sides and noobs like to get gravecamped in both sides, it's like they don't know how not to ress. I even quit sometimes when we get the classic "oh man, we are allies we will loose" from a ****** saying "we all suck" and has 0-9 as a warrior... Those people make you stop wanting to help them if you don't really need anything from the BG.
Hordes got no idea how to defend healers.
Allies got no idea how to defend flags.
People fighting in mid/roads/flag on both factions are flamed upon but they disregard that given their lack of grey matter.
Charts usually go like:
Warlock
DK/Hunter
DK/Hunter
DK/Hunter
DK/Hunter
untill there are no more DKs or hunters.
Average of 5-6 DKs in 10 man BGs. (over 25% of BG)
Healers on both sides don't seem to really have a healing priority list, they can heal u or the next ***** and let you die, they don't really weight their calls most of the time.
One out of 5 BGs is actually fun/close/challenging.
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yes pls :):):):):)
