I do not know if this was discussed but I still want to ask. With Garrosh Hellscream going back in time does that mean that TBC is nullified? Does the Horde never come about? What I mean that when you hit 58 or 60 that now Outland is canon? Or is it some kind of LSD trick that you still somehow participate in the events that "had" (or even could have) happened? Garrosh goes back in time and changes the Horde from becoming enslaved to the Scorge and instead turns the Horde into the Iron Horde. Does Dreanor still break (spoiler maybe)? Because it seems like that with Garrosh doing what he does that Outland would be changed in greater ways than what it is now.
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Dreanor Vs. Outland
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The events in our azeroth and outland will stay how it is. This draenor is in another dimension and is not connected with our world other than the portal which is linked with the planet draenor which is in another dimension.
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The Warcraft universe is actually a timeline multiverse, so when Garrosh goes back in time he doesn't really go back in time, he travels to a different universe inside that multiverse.
So in the 'Iron Horde' timeline, the orcs won't invade their Azeroth, Thrall will grow up to be Go'el, Chieftain of the Froswolf Clan, not Warchief of the Horde. Varian will not become a Gladiator. All these things will definitely change in their Azeroth, but 'our' Azeroth, the one where Grommash did drink the blood of Manaroth, Go'el was raised by humans under the name Thrall, did become the greatest leader Azeroth has ever seen, this timeline will remain the same, because it is a different universe, and the only thing the Iron Horde can change in it is the present.
Interestingly since their timeline has now been altered, their Azeroth will never know of Orcs and Dranei, and the fate of their Azeroth may be a lot different for it. The Alliance was formed to combat the orc invasion, if the races of Azeroth never band together, will they be able to stop the scourge? And even if they can, Deathwing will still awaken, and without Thrall as Earthwarden, he will not be stopped. So Garrosh most likely causes the destruction of their Azeroth by trying to destroy ours
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Now all we need is Doctor Who.
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You miss quite some key facts there regarding "their Azeroth" :
1. No scourge as Lich King doesn't exist.
2. Kairozdormu chose a particular timeline in which Garrosh and some other main figures(that we know existed in our lore) are not born in it.
As far as deathwing is concerned, thats atleast 100years or even more into the future of "their Azeroth" if it takes deathwing there the same time as our deathwing to get corrupted but still that idea piques my interst.\
Besides WoD, as far as i know never mentioned about the fate of "their Azeroth" as it makes the whole thing a lot more complicated and dumps the whole thing into confusion.
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Let me just start off by saying the comments about their Azeroth were just me speculating.
1. Ner'Zhul wouldn't be the first Lich King, but Kil'Jaeden may choose another for the same purpose, Arthas could even be the first and only Lich King in that timeline
2. Very true, some of the names I mention may not even exist, changing things even more
The Shattering happens 95 years after the Corruption of the Orcs in 'our' universe. Deathwing was corrupted 10 000 years before the Shattering, between his first defeat and that he was simply in hiding, preparing for his return. Kairozdormu mentions small changes, the Shattering was/will be pretty big, so I imagine it will still occur
Again, my own speculation, just for the sake of it. We may never get official word on the future of their Azeroth, or even their Draenor, I just really enjoy thinking up these scenarios
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Deathwing played a part in the first and second great wars, and even roosted in Draenor at one point on an island that is now referred to as Ashran.
Also, the cinematic for the Warlords expansion clearly states "35 years ago".
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You say (as speculation) that in this new "timeverse" (horrible but kind of makes sense with the way you describe it) that the Iron Horde will not meet the people's of Azeroth. I would have to disagree. For one, at the end of the cinematic trailer you see the Horde actually building a Dark Portal of their own. Now, I do not know the ending of WoD, so I cannot say if the ending includes the destruction of said portal but it does lean towards that in this scenario that the Horde does make it to Azeroth. I hate to say it but could it be an opener for Blizzard to make another Warcraft game? Not another Expansion in WoW but a standalone? Or even a continuation of the new universe that was "opened" from WoD?
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That portal at the end of the cinematic is the one that we enter Draenor from. So that timeverse's Azeroth will never see or hear of orcs and draenei.
"His vengeance would lead this "stronger" Iron Horde into marching through an altered Dark Portal to attack the present day Horde and Alliance."
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Now the question is..... is there a 35 years gap between garrosh fleeing from azeroth until we actually arrive there? It makes it sound like that.
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i read somewhere that its a 2 year gap. the Iron Horde had 2 years to build the army and prepare.
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Yes but Garrosh is in the cinematic and the time there was 35 years ago. So this means that he had to be there before 35 years ago until we finally enter Draenor. Much confuse...
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The time between Garrosh's arrival and our arrival is a 2 year gap. The 35 years ago is basically telling how far back in time he went to my understanding. He went to another universe so that event with drinking the blood of Mannaroth doesnt happen and it doesnt change that particular event in our universe when the orcs did drink the blood. Everything that happen in our Azeroths past is done, will not be change.
Yes it is very confusing. makes my brain hurt thinking about everything that wont happen on Azeroth in the alternate universe and how things might play there with the orcs ever arriving.
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So Garrosh is going to use his new portal to go to the main timeverse Azeroth? That would mean tha,t somehow, Garrosh has a very power wizards as an ally (do not know of any wizard that may be able to control time) or the bronze dragon (forgive me for forgetting his/her name) is working hand in hand with Garrosh. The only beings I know that are able to control time itself are the Bronze Dragonflight. I know the first portal was built by the Scourge...at least the power infused to be able to "travel" through it is. But to be able to travel to another dimension and the past has got to be considered great power. I would think the better idea is for Garrosh to stick with the timeverse (lol hastag?) he has escaped to...being that he has the knowledge that has has... I am pretty sure he knows the full history of both Warcraft 1 and 2 and could use this knowledge against the Humans/Elves/Dwarves that are ingnorant to the Iron Horde. Speculating...
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The mastermind behind the altered Dark Portal Kairozdormu (Kairoz)
"Kairozdormu (also known as Kairoz) is a bronze dragon wearing the guise of an elf, located at the Celestial Court on the Timeless Isle. He enlists the aid of players in seeking out the true nature of the Isle and how it travels through time, only to appear at random intervals. His tasks lead players to the Siege of Orgrimmar.
It is later revealed that it is he that assists Garrosh Hellscream in escaping his punishment, enabling him to travel back in time to Draenor to assemble the Iron Horde.
On Draenor, Kairoz assumes the guise of an orc and accompanies Garrosh to the Warsong Clan territory in Nagrand (Draenor). Before approaching the encampment proper, Kairoz divulges his intention to use an infinite number of alternate hordes to conquer whatever he pleases. In respons Garrosh attempts to attack the bronze dragon but fails as Kairoz still possesses a shard from the Vision of Time allowing him to shift back to the moment when Garrosh was about to lunge. After elaborating on the potential of the remaining shard in his possession he gives in to Garrosh, assuming that he had effectively tightened the leash. Instead he found himself violently stabbed to death with the last shard of his own device, wielded by the orc he had spent so much time trying to manipulate."
