hiho since i am collecting /played time, i am thinking about what might be the best gear to do pvp 4 enhancement shaman...
but what means "best":
e.g. 4 arena serious
e.g. 4 bg serious
e.g. 4 arena fun
e.g. 4 bg fun
what means fun? ya i guess u all know that situation u just kill dat lowie (or average) in one rotation or dat very well dressed flag carrier in bg with berserk buff and all ur cds (fc support is distracted of course) ;)
what means serious? well e.g. to get a rating above 1,8 k... not 2,8 but well more than 1,8k... and just assume my skills are slightly (and just slightly) above the average ;)
so i already have no'kaled*2
No'Kaled, the Elements of Death
so i really hope that some of those combinations of the following items (trinkets/setboni t13) might be an advantge in pvp, i would like to discuss pros and cons ... which has best survivability in arena / bg situations... which is best choice 4 burst in arena / bg situations... ...which might be the best compromise of both... ...with or without healer...
trinkets:
Vial of Shadows
Bone-Link Fetish
Wrath of Unchaining
Matrix Restabilizer
Cataclysmic Gladiator's Badge of Conquest
i know Bone-Link Fetish has "just" strenth... but i read an interesting rouge discussion about Vial of Shadows and Bone-Link Fetish in combination 4 maximazing da burst :D ...but what about the reality... in which situation might it be viable?! does it work properly?!
another point is that i think that Cataclysmic Gladiator's Badge of Conquest is a must have, but is it?! and in which combination is it best?!
i also read that Vial of Shadows and Wrath of Unchaining is best... but is it? i guess it's best in pve... but what about pvp?!
aaaand what about Vial of Shadows + Matrix Restabilizer i can imagine it's also nice in pvp... but in which situations?! ...and which other combinations does it beat?!
well with 2 of No'Kaled, the Elements of Death and 2 pve trinkets u still get a little bit more than 4k resilence (by stats, pvp setbonus, gems e.g. , chest enchant, ) [and, of course, u still get 196 spell pen]
setboni:
set boni t13
vs.
pvp bonus
which combinations of trinkets and / or setboni are the best in certain situations?!
yeah the lack of resilence in case of choosing 2 pve trinkets and 4 pieces of t13 would be not worth it... but maybe one pve trinket and 2 pieces of t13 might be viable 4 some reason ;)
or maybe 4 pieces t13 boni & 2 pvp trinkets > pvp set & pve trinkets 4 some reason
sooo pls /discuss
p.s.: i know some of u might think w.. t... f... just l2p and ladida.... so at least this i don't want to discuss ;)
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PvP: viable (pve) trinkets and or t13 setboni (enhancer)
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I would also love to know if Bone-Link Fetish is viable for a enhance shami.
I mean, the trinket is super strong for rogs so why not for enhance?
Imagine the crazy burst dmg when u use 2x No'Kaled, Vial of Shadows and Bone-Link Fetish and all 4 items proc at the same time. :D
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idk how serious can you be with all this pve stuff for pvp ... "fun" 2-shots in bg's ? okay, could work, while you'll be 2shotted by rogue/ret/anything too(especially ranged classe)
double nokaleds is more than enough, also matrix is bis for pve and some pvp situations too.
why is everyone forgetting about t12hc x2 parts .... ? tho it's still ain't serious.
this whole pve stuff in pvp isn't serious at all in pvp, just theories and nothing else.
"soulshifter vortex" saddens me even more. (you obviously can't understand that your primary stat is agility, not mastery or stamina, mastery is your SECONDARY stat, as well as exp/hit caps.
not enough resilience = dead shaman at any time. how will you burst your target being dead ?....
p.s it's shammy, not shami. it's bonus not boni. it's enhancement, not enhancer. looks kinda ridiculous tbh.
gl hf trying that being dead. tho as i understood - you're a multiboxer, that could work for you, but not for those who plays solo-characters.Imagine the crazy burst dmg when u use 2x No'Kaled, Vial of Shadows and Bone-Link Fetish and all 4 items proc at the same time.
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As a multiboxer u need even more resilience because u dont have the mobility to kite enemys decently.
Nevertheless 2x No'Kaled, Vial of Shadows, Bone-Link Fetish and the rest of the gear full pvp with resilience gems might work.
At least its worth to discuss such a combination since damage on proc items are very strong on cata.
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well, but i want to balance that out as much as possible...
as i got through the hero content on retail in cata, i am not interestet in pve anymore... with any class...
but maybe u can explain those pvp situations and the advantages of Matrix Restabilizer
i read about it in pve discussion (viability of 2 t12 pieces and 2 t13 pieces in pve content) but i am not into shammy, cause i am playing enhancement shammy for 2-3 weeks now...
so u mean the t12hc x2 parts are worth it in pvp? setbonus: Erupting Volcanic Legguards 10% on lava lash sounds nice..., but loosing all those other stats...
so theorie crafting is s.th. i really like to do... i mean i will never be one of the best player... don't have the time, and maybe i am not that talented...
so i didn't mention Soulshifter Vortex cause i thought the stat los of agility 4 stamina is not worth it... that was also what i read about it... but the topic/thread those discussions are about differ, i.e. that it is discussed e.g. without using double No'Kaled, the Elements of Death ...i mean the proc is scaling with mastery (except shadow dmg) that's what i read about it...
i mean it is viable 4 mages... as i read in this thread k i know legendary staff is n/a but.. still u can have crazy crits stacking the mastery as mage... maybe it is also viable 4 enhancement shammys to stack mastery with e.g. Matrix Restabilizer (maybe icd) or Moonwell Chalice (1,7k mastery on use) and of course double No'Kaled, the Elements of Death :D ...ok i don't believe in this...
i know, that's why i think i have to have min 4k resilence
and in bg's i may not need even need 4k if u can heal urself well... 1v1 situations (from full hp to death) are not the rule in bgs... some allies are often around one
sry, i am not english native speaker and i used to play on retail in another language and so on .. but thx ... i like to learn ;)
no i just have that shammy to play... and as i said i am totally new to it... (not to wow)
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matrix + no kaled + furry proc = gg.... enough said
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there's no real balance between pve and pvp items in pvp, simply because you're squishy af, you're a melee, you ain't got stealth and so-on, you can't vanish/switch trinkets, you can't feign death/switch trinkets, you aint got nothing like that.
matrix is bis for all kind of situations, because of agility boost + mastery proc (which can be seen via power auras for example, that trinket already doubles (kinda) your mastery amount being full cata geared, decent enough, there's no point in going for vial, it's physical damage, which is mitigated by quite a lot of defensives.as i got through the hero content on retail in cata, i am not interestet in pve anymore... with any class...
but maybe u can explain those pvp situations and the advantages of Matrix Restabilizer
it's still not worth it. i just mentioned it because the set bonus in pvp situations is more "viable" than that t13 provides.i read about it in pve discussion (viability of 2 t12 pieces and 2 t13 pieces in pve content) but i am not into shammy, cause i am playing enhancement shammy for 2-3 weeks now...
so u mean the t12hc x2 parts are worth it in pvp? setbonus: Erupting Volcanic Legguards 10% on lava lash sounds nice..., but loosing all those other stats...
so theorie crafting is s.th. i really like to do... i mean i will never be one of the best player... don't have the time, and maybe i am not that talented...
so i didn't mention Soulshifter Vortex cause i thought the stat los of agility 4 stamina is not worth it... that was also what i read about it... but the topic/thread those discussions are about differ, i.e. that it is discussed e.g. without using double No'Kaled, the Elements of Death ...i mean the proc is scaling with mastery (except shadow dmg) that's what i read about it...
i mean it is viable 4 mages... as i read in this thread k i know legendary staff is n/a but.. still u can have crazy crits stacking the mastery as mage... maybe it is also viable 4 enhancement shammys to stack mastery with e.g. Matrix Restabilizer (maybe icd) or Moonwell Chalice (1,7k mastery on use) and of course double No'Kaled, the Elements of Death :D ...ok i don't believe in this...
your maximum crit heals (considering that talent in resto tree ) is about roughly 45k crit with full 403 gear, most of the time you will get roughly 22k, which isnt enough. surge heals you for roughly 8-12k (spirit walkers grace helps quite a a lot here), so count it yourself, hunter shoots you for lets say .. 40k chimera, and 2x20k arcanes, 80k damage upon minimal amount of time, okay if it's a mage / priest you could use your totem, but that requires quite a "skill" to use everything properly, and even than - you'll still lack survival due to HUGE loss of resilience (which is your only secondary survival stat)i know, that's why i think i have to have min 4k resilence
and in bg's i may not need even need 4k if u can heal urself well... 1v1 situations (from full hp to death) are not the rule in bgs... some allies are often around one
neither am i, im not trying to be rude or anything, it's just .. well .. eyes are getting hurt because of all these "shami-encha shammi" and so-on :)sry, i am not english native speaker and i used to play on retail in another language and so on .. but thx ... i like to learn ;)
double hc kaleds, full 403 gear, matrix hc with power auras configured will work just fine, tho i for example wouldn't take any pve stuff except for double hc kaleds (like i did, tho perhaps with free coins i would go for Matrix.)no i just have that shammy to play... and as i said i am totally new to it... (not to wow)
if you got alot of free coins (unlike most of us and myself...) you can go for double kaleds, 403 4 piece set, matrix + vial hc (blf isn't worth it) and some other item which would give you more agil/crit/mastery than that 403 pvp provides, so if let's say you get into bg, where's the other team is full of low-geared players, you will literally 3shot them easily.
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i used to equip only head boots rings and neck. 2 times no kaled hc.. matrix + burst trinket..and facerolled whole bgs...whit my 100k shammy
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OK OP let me go through this.
First up your Serious Arena setup.
2x http://cata.openwow.com/item=78472
PvP Medallion,
PvP http://cata.openwow.com/item=73648
5/5 PvP Gear Set
Your Serious BG setup (Rated BGs)
2x http://cata.openwow.com/item=78472
PvP Medallion
http://cata.openwow.com/item=69150
5/5 PvP Gear Set
Your Fun Arenas (>2k MMR)
2x http://cata.openwow.com/item=78472
PvP Medallion,
http://cata.openwow.com/item=69150
2 Set T13 HC http://cata.openwow.com/item=78724 / http://cata.openwow.com/item=78667
2 Set bonus, is designed for sustained off healing and a little more damage, vital for arenas.
Your Fun BG setup.
2x http://cata.openwow.com/item=78472
http://cata.openwow.com/item=69150
http://cata.openwow.com/item=77990
2 Set T12 HC http://cata.openwow.com/item=71547 / http://cata.openwow.com/item=71548
2 Set bonus, is designed for maximum damage output through Lava Lash combined with Trinket Procs.
Every other trinket you linked is **** for Shaman, even in PvE... Matrix HC is BIS, along with http://cata.openwow.com/item=77994 however in PvP http://cata.openwow.com/item=77990 is stronger when it procs with your Matrix (I get 117% Mastery). You can one shot with 5x Searing Stacks.
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If tomorrow's patch doesn't give Grievous gear to MoP, I am going to spend coins on making a BiS Enhancement Shaman on Cata.
I will spend the majority of my time doing BG's. Is this what I want? *going by what Kemii said*
2x No'Kaled, the Elements of Death
PvP Medallion
Matrix Restabilizer
5/5 PvP Gear Set
Get PvP Gear for every remaining slot *rings, wrist, necklace, belt, etc*
Bonus: If I have extra coins I might try what OP said and get those items too, just to try it out sometimes.
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Kemii: :-D Fun BG setup is full pve and play "kill or be killed"
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thx kemii ... thats the great answer i was looking 4
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Is the 5/5 PvP Gear Set you are referring to:
Cataclysmic Gladiator's Linked?
And also get Cataclysmic Gladiator's for Belt, Wrist, Necklace, and Rings?
Note: Someone please answer, I am going to donate for BiS and want to do it right.
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for any sort of serious pvp, every slot must contain pvp gear, with exception of weapons, which are double hc kaleds.
all these pve advices .. amazing .. "fun" is obviously to get gy camped, unless you got 2-3 pocket healers who knows how-to dispel.
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U have always the option to stack resilience gems to compensate the resilience loss from pve gear.
The question is what will grant u more dmg:
Using pve weapons, pve trinket and stack resilience gems or using pve weapon, pvp trinket and stack agi gems.
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