What if? (Dungeons)

[AntixHero]

Warmane just opened ALL closed dungeons on Cata and on MoP?
Some may be empty, others may be bugged, but it can help us determine what is messed up or not and report to bug tracker.

I myself missed the old dungeons and at this point, I don't care if it is super buggy or empty.
I saw some spoke of MoP Deadmines being clear example of it being a mirrored version of the Cata version.
If you run it on normal on Cata and MoP, there is no difference, they function the same way, however, on MoP, Mobs seem a bit weaker, or the player seems a bit OP, I don't know.


Anyway what about you guys, should dungeons just be open to be open? I been on Cata for a while, well since Graymane and Deemholm and missed running Scarlet Monastery and Caverns of Time as a Worgen.

[Cyclowned]

Yea, open all dungeons and raids, just achivements and loots should work, no need more :)

[Psycho]

vanilla,tbc and wotlk dungeons whould be open, we can 1-shot them anyway on MoP, so who cares about perfect scripting of those

[Evonux]

They were opened on MoP at the launch. They were causing crashes.

[Tenchima]

They were opened on MoP at the launch. They were causing crashes.

Well it was going on for all dungeons, mainly the loading screen. You'd be surprised of how many people are for low level content. Higher levels have their fun, but why do the low levels get the short end of the stick?

I say just open them up. When Graymane and Deemholm launched, Scarlet Monastery was working perfectly, the only problem was NPCs sometimes run through the walls, other than that it function perfectly, especially when you down Herod, how the npcs come running int the room to surround you lol.

[Stellarcrusade]

I agree. All old dungeons/raids should be opened asap. Wotlk and below for sure do not need scripting. Scripting these is a waste of effort since they can be killed very easy in seconds. I say open one with each update and see if it causes any crashes. Then fix the crashing and release the next one. It doesn't really matter what order they are released in, I say the easiest first, then the next easiest and so on until they are all released. Then move onto the Cata dungeons/raids, i doubt we really need these scripted either.

Currently now that retail has the game cards which gets retail closer to being free, providing the old dungeons/raids will remove 1 reason why some players might prefer to go retail at this point. I know i have considered starting a char on retail just to visit the old instances, but as with most players I'd greatly prefer if they were simply opened here.

[Pallzdani]

Warmane just opened ALL closed dungeons on Cata and on MoP?
Some may be empty, others may be bugged, but it can help us determine what is messed up or not and report to bug tracker.

The staff have their hands full fixing end game functions, they don't need more reports piling up.

Well it was going on for all dungeons, mainly the loading screen. You'd be surprised of how many people are for low level content. Higher levels have their fun, but why do the low levels get the short end of the stick?

Because low level dungeons on a altered xp rate server have no use except for vanity, only way low level crap would benefit a select group of people would be twinks. There is no twinking communtiy on MoP (or atleast none making themselves heard) and twinks don't really farm dungeons, they kill higher level toons and raid rare mobs 20 levels higher than them. On MoP there was a long period of time where no end game content was available. Now if Warmane (well Molten back then) had low level dungeons still opened people would have to wait longer for the end game. So we would have 'old dungeon so buggy fix fix fix' threads along with the 'Why no end game content, open open open' threads.

I agree. All old dungeons/raids should be opened asap. Wotlk and below for sure do not need scripting. Scripting these is a waste of effort since they can be killed very easy in seconds. I say open one with each update and see if it causes any crashes. Then fix the crashing and release the next one. It doesn't really matter what order they are released in, I say the easiest first, then the next easiest and so on until they are all released. Then move onto the Cata dungeons/raids, i doubt we really need these scripted either.

Doesn't make a difference if we can faceroll content, to release dungeons with no scripts but still have achievements and loot is not blizz-like and can be seen by some as a step closer to a fun server

[Tenchima]

The staff have their hands full fixing end game functions, they don't need more reports piling up.


Because low level dungeons on a altered xp rate server have no use except for vanity, only way low level crap would benefit a select group of people would be twinks. There is no twinking communtiy on MoP (or atleast none making themselves heard) and twinks don't really farm dungeons, they kill higher level toons and raid rare mobs 20 levels higher than them. On MoP there was a long period of time where no end game content was available. Now if Warmane (well Molten back then) had low level dungeons still opened people would have to wait longer for the end game. So we would have 'old dungeon so buggy fix fix fix' threads along with the 'Why no end game content, open open open' threads.



Doesn't make a difference if we can faceroll content, to release dungeons with no scripts but still have achievements and loot is not blizz-like and can be seen by some as a step closer to a fun server

It's not that, and about twinking. There are some who are in favor of low level content, and do get bored with not interacting with other players in the game world, well until they reach 70-80 plus that is.
I had to help out some guy, who seems to always come back to me because his guild and other players would not help him, he didn't get legit contact or help until he hit level 87.

Most people do not care for the bugs, Stockades and a few TBC dungeons are examples.
People just want other things to do than the traditional quest/turn in routine, a majority of lowbies, now, you can inspect them, mostly quest gear. Also if you communicate with them, mainly the lowies, you can ask them about dungeons, you'd see their responses vs those who are already level 90.

Stockades and Deadmines, despite the flaws in them, did not stop some from doing the dungeon, even though it is buggy. Other than that, dungeons trash kills offer a good amount of exp, better than killing boars all day.

I'm all for low level dungeons, if they do open it and it is buddy, so be it. Cata Scarlet Monastery, I know will run as it did during Graymane and Deepholm, if they open it, same goes for Hellfire Rampants and a few other dungeons.

[Stellarcrusade]

The staff have their hands full fixing end game functions, they don't need more reports piling up.


Because low level dungeons on a altered xp rate server have no use except for vanity, only way low level crap would benefit a select group of people would be twinks. There is no twinking communtiy on MoP (or atleast none making themselves heard) and twinks don't really farm dungeons, they kill higher level toons and raid rare mobs 20 levels higher than them. On MoP there was a long period of time where no end game content was available. Now if Warmane (well Molten back then) had low level dungeons still opened people would have to wait longer for the end game. So we would have 'old dungeon so buggy fix fix fix' threads along with the 'Why no end game content, open open open' threads.



Doesn't make a difference if we can faceroll content, to release dungeons with no scripts but still have achievements and loot is not blizz-like and can be seen by some as a step closer to a fun server

I doubt anyone could have missed the point anymore than you have here. You should try to understand before posting so you do not look like a fool. Staff are busy, yes, we know, that's sort of the point of this article. Staff is busy working on important stuff, so instead of waiting 5 years for them to be done with that and then finally working hard to script these dungeons (losing many players along the way), they could simply open the dungeons with the minimal effort. No scripting, only fixing things that crash the game. Then everyone wins.

No one said they wanted them open so the twink community would have more to do. We all just want them open so we can once in awhile revisit the old content (as the best content in all of wow are the raids/dungeons).

You seem to think that if someone posts a bug report about an old dungeon that the staff will be overwhelmed. Have you seen the bug reports? Some are dated years ago. No one cares if a low priority bug report comes in, they just work on the ones that are higher priority.

And you even make a claim that if we add 50 dungeons that are on retail it will be LESS blizlike? Dude, whats farther from blizlike? 1.) Missing 10,000 rooms of the best blizzard content, or 2.) Having all the same content as blizzard, but instead of 12 bosses enraging after 50% hp, they do not enrage after 50% hp. The point is, 1 moonfire from a boomkin instantly kills the old bosses weather or not they would enrage at 50%. You win the award for being the most wrong of any poster this year. Congratz.

[Pallzdani]

It's not that, and about twinking. There are some who are in favor of low level content, and do get bored with not interacting with other players in the game world, well until they reach 70-80 plus that is.
I had to help out some guy, who seems to always come back to me because his guild and other players would not help him, he didn't get legit contact or help until he hit level 87.

Most people do not care for the bugs, Stockades and a few TBC dungeons are examples.
People just want other things to do than the traditional quest/turn in routine, a majority of lowbies, now, you can inspect them, mostly quest gear. Also if you communicate with them, mainly the lowies, you can ask them about dungeons, you'd see their responses vs those who are already level 90.

Stockades and Deadmines, despite the flaws in them, did not stop some from doing the dungeon, even though it is buggy. Other than that, dungeons trash kills offer a good amount of exp, better than killing boars all day.

I'm all for low level dungeons, if they do open it and it is buddy, so be it. Cata Scarlet Monastery, I know will run as it did during Graymane and Deepholm, if they open it, same goes for Hellfire Rampants and a few other dungeons.

Yeah I get that, I was the same. Back when MoP was new I'd queue for rdf then just log back in after crashes, they was always the best experience for levelling. Again I agree, if a dungeon is bugged to hell, I wouldn't care either, but unfortunately us who share that mindset are about 20% of the population. So many people will QQ about the bugs and more QQ threads just aren't needed and really annoying lol. It is a shame inspecting level 70 people and still seeing them in level 30 questing gear, i even try to help out by buying cheap rares for their level off AH but really it's better to just suck it up and quest.

I doubt anyone could have missed the point anymore than you have here. You should try to understand before posting so you do not look like a fool. Staff are busy, yes, we know, that's sort of the point of this article. Staff is busy working on important stuff, so instead of waiting 5 years for them to be done with that and then finally working hard to script these dungeons (losing many players along the way), they could simply open the dungeons with the minimal effort. No scripting, only fixing things that crash the game. Then everyone wins.

No one said they wanted them open so the twink community would have more to do. We all just want them open so we can once in awhile revisit the old content (as the best content in all of wow are the raids/dungeons).

You seem to think that if someone posts a bug report about an old dungeon that the staff will be overwhelmed. Have you seen the bug reports? Some are dated years ago. No one cares if a low priority bug report comes in, they just work on the ones that are higher priority.

And you even make a claim that if we add 50 dungeons that are on retail it will be LESS blizlike? Dude, whats farther from blizlike? 1.) Missing 10,000 rooms of the best blizzard content, or 2.) Having all the same content as blizzard, but instead of 12 bosses enraging after 50% hp, they do not enrage after 50% hp. The point is, 1 moonfire from a boomkin instantly kills the old bosses weather or not they would enrage at 50%. You win the award for being the most wrong of any poster this year. Congratz.

So I skipped about half this post due to your ignorance, cockiness and well also the fact you just dropped my IQ about 20 points. K well I'm jsut going to reply to what I read. the twinking community: I didn't say the the only reason for them was for twinks. I just said the only way low level content would give any benefits outside of vanity and nostalgia is to twinks. K got that? next point, Yes the best content in wow is raids and dungeons, but out of those raids and dungeons, end game is more important (for obvious reasons). If staff are slow with end game content, how is throwing old content in the mix going to help? Bug reports: Yes low priority reports are sort of pushed aside to make room for higher priority reports, but that angers the people that made them reports. So now you want to add more reports that get pushed aside? Do you want the whole community to be angered? DId I say adding dungeons will be less blizzlike? Please quote that one line....second thought, don't worry I will quote what you are obviously mistaking

to release dungeons with no scripts but still have achievements and loot is not blizz-like and can be seen by some as a step closer to a fun server

Doesn't matter if a high level boomie can one shot a boss, they need to be scripted. Low levels will run the dungeon and to fight a dummy and get exp, loot and achieves is just wrong. And cute you think the extent of scripting is just enrage timers.... Also please try to 'one shot' any cata dungeon, it was seriously hard to solo at this current gear level.
So thanks for the award, but I think you are more deserving of it. Gz!

[4thWarden]

You guys, you talk back and forth, dungeons, as a whole for you MoP, is broken. Be happy you have end game content.

[Stellarcrusade]

Yeah I get that, I was the same. Back when MoP was new I'd queue for rdf then just log back in after crashes, they was always the best experience for levelling. Again I agree, if a dungeon is bugged to hell, I wouldn't care either, but unfortunately us who share that mindset are about 20% of the population. So many people will QQ about the bugs and more QQ threads just aren't needed and really annoying lol. It is a shame inspecting level 70 people and still seeing them in level 30 questing gear, i even try to help out by buying cheap rares for their level off AH but really it's better to just suck it up and quest.


So I skipped about half this post due to your ignorance, cockiness and well also the fact you just dropped my IQ about 20 points. K well I'm jsut going to reply to what I read. the twinking community: I didn't say the the only reason for them was for twinks. I just said the only way low level content would give any benefits outside of vanity and nostalgia is to twinks. K got that? next point, Yes the best content in wow is raids and dungeons, but out of those raids and dungeons, end game is more important (for obvious reasons). If staff are slow with end game content, how is throwing old content in the mix going to help? Bug reports: Yes low priority reports are sort of pushed aside to make room for higher priority reports, but that angers the people that made them reports. So now you want to add more reports that get pushed aside? Do you want the whole community to be angered? DId I say adding dungeons will be less blizzlike? Please quote that one line....second thought, don't worry I will quote what you are obviously mistaking Doesn't matter if a high level boomie can one shot a boss, they need to be scripted. Low levels will run the dungeon and to fight a dummy and get exp, loot and achieves is just wrong. And cute you think the extent of scripting is just enrage timers.... Also please try to 'one shot' any cata dungeon, it was seriously hard to solo at this current gear level.
So thanks for the award, but I think you are more deserving of it. Gz!

Once again, you'd have been better off not even posting. There are almost too many things wrong in your post for me to respond to, but lets go anyhow:
1.) If someone posts a low priority bug report, and it doesn't get handled for awhile, that will not anger the "whole community".
2.) If high levelers can one-shot bosses, it is of almost no value to have a dev spend hours scripting said boss. No matter what you say, that's just a fact you'll have to live with it. You cannot refute logic buddy. Its funny watching you try though. Sort of like watching a 1 legged dog try to open a closed door.
3.) And I see you completely missed the point about scripting and seemed to focus on the enrage example as if that's all scripting does.
4.) This one is funny because you refute yourself: you say "to release dungeons with no scripts but still have achievements and loot is not blizz-like", and you say that this doesn't mean exactly what it says. Love it, I should just let you post countering statements about your own statements all day.

Anyhow, regardless of the lack of focus this poster has, his posts are meaningless as it tries to take focus off the actual issues and proposed solutions of this thread. So to ignore the troll and recap whats important:
1.) MANY in the community want the old content and if a suggestion that made it easy to release were proposed, then the old contend should be released.
2.) The proposed suggestion that accomplishes this is: Open all the old dungeons one at a time w/o any additional or untested scripting. This way its easy, gives the community what they want, doesn't take much away from the higher priority stuff, and we do not have to wait 5 years to revisit the best content Wow has to offer.
3.) Its obvious scripting is not needed because pretty much the only players that will go in old dungeons are level 90 players. The gear in those dungeons is worthless, and if a low level char actually popped something from those, he will get to use it for about 10 mins before he is 10 levels higher and sells it to a shop for 2 gold.

[Pallzdani]

Once again, you'd have been better off not even posting. There are almost too many things wrong in your post for me to respond to, but lets go anyhow:
1.) If someone posts a low priority bug report, and it doesn't get handled for awhile, that will not anger the "whole community".
2.) If high levelers can one-shot bosses, it is of almost no value to have a dev spend hours scripting said boss. No matter what you say, that's just a fact you'll have to live with it. You cannot refute logic buddy. Its funny watching you try though. Sort of like watching a 1 legged dog try to open a closed door.
3.) And I see you completely missed the point about scripting and seemed to focus on the enrage example as if that's all scripting does.
4.) This one is funny because you refute yourself: you say "to release dungeons with no scripts but still have achievements and loot is not blizz-like", and you say that this doesn't mean exactly what it says. Love it, I should just let you post countering statements about your own statements all day.

Anyhow, regardless of the lack of focus this poster has, his posts are meaningless as it tries to take focus off the actual issues and proposed solutions of this thread. So to ignore the troll and recap whats important:
1.) MANY in the community want the old content and if a suggestion that made it easy to release were proposed, then the old contend should be released.
2.) The proposed suggestion that accomplishes this is: Open all the old dungeons one at a time w/o any additional or untested scripting. This way its easy, gives the community what they want, doesn't take much away from the higher priority stuff, and we do not have to wait 5 years to revisit the best content Wow has to offer.
3.) Its obvious scripting is not needed because pretty much the only players that will go in old dungeons are level 90 players. The gear in those dungeons is worthless, and if a low level char actually popped something from those, he will get to use it for about 10 mins before he is 10 levels higher and sells it to a shop for 2 gold.

What. The. Actual. ****.
K seriously, less insults to try to gain a grip in a petty and pointless discussion.
1.No, one ignored report doesn't anger a whole community. 1 ignored report angers the author of the report. More bugs implement=more reports. Those reports get ignored. Thats another author pissed. it all adds up.
2.Did you just skip the part where I said about low-levels. To have a boss be a dummy to ON LEVEL toons is classed as a fun-server mechanic. Either get it scripted to the point that it imposes a challenge or don't release it period. Nice, another pitiful insult thrown in. /yawn
3.Actually you made it clear that you believe scripting involves only enrage timers....not me. I simply picked up on that point and used it against you.
4.When did I say my point doesn't mean what it says. It does. You release a boss with no scripting, no challenge and yet still have it reward you with the vanities (or even useful loot if your on level) is not anywhere near blizz-like. You tried to turn that against me and make out that I said not releasing content is blizz-like.

Now please stop with these mindless insults until you actually prove you are intelligent. So far I am unconvinced you have any clue what you are talking about.
Anyway your points:
1. Find a suggestion that sticks to the blizz-likeness of the server and also makes scripting and release of a dungeon easy. Please, I want a good laugh.
2. Yay, you actually gave one, yes this idea would make release of dungeons easier, auto attacks back, no mechanics, pure tank n spank. Whats that I hear? Oh yeah the local fun server's saying they want their idea's back. (Can't give the name, but you get the idea^.^).
3. Your ignorance is bliss. I want a mod to step in and give their own opinions on your 'ideas':3

[Stellarcrusade]

What. The. Actual. ****.
K seriously, less insults to try to gain a grip in a petty and pointless discussion.
1.No, one ignored report doesn't anger a whole community. 1 ignored report angers the author of the report. More bugs implement=more reports. Those reports get ignored. Thats another author pissed. it all adds up.
2.Did you just skip the part where I said about low-levels. To have a boss be a dummy to ON LEVEL toons is classed as a fun-server mechanic. Either get it scripted to the point that it imposes a challenge or don't release it period. Nice, another pitiful insult thrown in. /yawn
3.Actually you made it clear that you believe scripting involves only enrage timers....not me. I simply picked up on that point and used it against you.
4.When did I say my point doesn't mean what it says. It does. You release a boss with no scripting, no challenge and yet still have it reward you with the vanities (or even useful loot if your on level) is not anywhere near blizz-like. You tried to turn that against me and make out that I said not releasing content is blizz-like.

Now please stop with these mindless insults until you actually prove you are intelligent. So far I am unconvinced you have any clue what you are talking about.
Anyway your points:
1. Find a suggestion that sticks to the blizz-likeness of the server and also makes scripting and release of a dungeon easy. Please, I want a good laugh.
2. Yay, you actually gave one, yes this idea would make release of dungeons easier, auto attacks back, no mechanics, pure tank n spank. Whats that I hear? Oh yeah the local fun server's saying they want their idea's back. (Can't give the name, but you get the idea^.^).
3. Your ignorance is bliss. I want a mod to step in and give their own opinions on your 'ideas':3

Lol the troll is back, and his posts are increasingly filled with jibberish. Rather than watching this guy refute his own statements without any basis or logic, hopefully staff will comment on the actual point of this thread and the suggestions offered so actual solutions can happen. I know I get my popcorn out and log in to see the troll try to dig himself out of the hole and its funny to see him go deeper and deeper. Its fun but it doesn't actually solve any issues. Do not let him distract or hijack the thread with stupidity.

[Pallzdani]

Lol the troll is back, and his posts are increasingly filled with jibberish. Rather than watching this guy refute his own statements without any basis or logic, hopefully staff will comment on the actual point of this thread and the suggestions offered so actual solutions can happen. I know I get my popcorn out and log in to see the troll try to dig himself out of the hole and its funny to see him go deeper and deeper. Its fun but it doesn't actually solve any issues. Do not let him distract or hijack the thread with stupidity.

Okay so my last post....can't say what happened as it's against the rules. but im just going to smile :)