Pandaria lava burst damage

[cbbflfjz]

This is my stat with no buffs


With no buffs, the lowest lava burst crit on a lvl90 dummy is about only 130k

here is the lava burst damage i recorded under different conditions

no buff: 130k 144k 157k 172k
trinket with unleash fury: 217k 260k
just unleash fury: 144k 173k 188k 197k 224k
just trinket:161k 182k 191k 200k

so my question is, why does the damage fluctuates so much like that?
I have never played elemental on retail, so I'm not sure if the above dmg is normal at my gear level, but to me it feels pretty weak, my single target dps without ascendance is only 84k on dummy, whilst my not even full tyrannical arms warrior can do just about the same if not higher…

Also the damage for lava burst overload seems to be bugged too, as far as i know, overload should do 75% of the initial hit, but thats not the case here.
As you can see in the combat log below


First Overload:
Initial hit: 187829
Overload hit: 125063 (67% of initial hit)

Expected Overload hit:
187829*0.75=140871


Seoncd Overload:
Initial hit: 225186
Overload hit: 130048 (58% of initial hit)

Expected Overload hit:
225186*0.75=168889


what do you think, my fellow ele? if i have made a mistake anywhere above, please point out, ty

[Kemii]

Pre-Moltdown I worked hard to get Lava Burst, Echo of the Elements and Elemental Overload working, and it all was finally.
I'm not sure how much the scripts have changed since as I no longer play an ele shaman.

But it was working all fine.

[cbbflfjz]

Pre-Moltdown I worked hard to get Lava Burst, Echo of the Elements and Elemental Overload working, and it all was finally.
I'm not sure how much the scripts have changed since as I no longer play an ele shaman.

But it was working all fine.

apparently not anymore, at least no the overload part.. hopefully someone would look into this again.

[Jakkre]

Something is really wrong with ele.
My frost DK pulls with 492ilvl 85k dps on the dummy while my better geared ele shami pulls with 504ilvl only 80k dps...

[cbbflfjz]

Something is really wrong with ele.
My frost DK pulls with 492ilvl 85k dps on the dummy while my better geared ele shami pulls with 504ilvl only 80k dps...

yeah, currently 517ilvl 85k max dps on dummy, my warrior can pull just about the same, he is not even full tyrannical, slam crits 222k every time, while lava burst average 150k.. lame..

[cbbflfjz]

some times overload does hit the right number, but most of the time.. no..

58%...

occasionally correct at 75%

[Logram]

I tested Cata ele shaman for a long time on another server, can i suggest you to remove any proc item from your gear? If you want to test a class, especially damage and coefficients, you need to remove any possible variable which could cause fluctuations in your tests.. Anyway i will try overload damage too asap.

[cbbflfjz]

I tested Cata ele shaman for a long time on another server, can i suggest you to remove any proc item from your gear? If you want to test a class, especially damage and coefficients, you need to remove any possible variable which could cause fluctuations in your tests.. Anyway i will try overload damage too asap.

alright new findings, this is with NO buff, NO proc trinket equipped and NO unleash fury:

if you use only lava burst, overload seems to do the correct amount of damage at 75% of initial hit, and dmg does not fluctuate, most of the time 157k then follow by 118k overload, but it does occasionally goes down to 130k somehow.

HOWEVER if you dps like normal, mix in lightning bolt in your rotation, lava burst dmg goes down to 130k MOST OF THE TIME, however the overload still does the correct amount of dmg at roughly 98k

also when you first enter combat, lava burst almost always hits lower than what it should at 130k, then the next lava burst goes back to normal 157k each(if you don't use lightning bolt in between!)


NOW, if you throw unleashed fury in your rotation, the overload dmg starts to get weird, the overload of a lava burst under the effect of unleashed fury is always lower than 75%, roughly 58% usually


ps. i have this addon called Shaman's Friend, i use it to display the total dmg of lava burst+overload, you can use it to help you keep track of lava burst and overload dmg consistency

[Logram]

alright new findings, this is with NO buff, NO proc trinket equipped and NO unleash fury:

if you use only lava burst, overload seems to do the correct amount of damage at 75% of initial hit, and dmg does not fluctuate, most of the time 157k then follow by 118k overload, but it does occasionally goes down to 130k somehow.

HOWEVER if you dps like normal, mix in lightning bolt in your rotation, lava burst dmg goes down to 130k MOST OF THE TIME, however the overload still does the correct amount of dmg at roughly 98k

also when you first enter combat, lava burst almost always hits lower than what it should at 130k, then the next lava burst goes back to normal 157k each(if you don't use lightning bolt in between!)


NOW, if you throw unleashed fury in your rotation, the overload dmg starts to get weird, the overload of a lava burst under the effect of unleashed fury is always lower than 75%, roughly 58% usually


ps. i have this addon called Shaman's Friend, i use it to display the total dmg of lava burst+overload, you can use it to help you keep track of lava burst and overload dmg consistency

You must take into account that Unleash Flame buff should empower only your casted Lava Burst, not the Overload proc nor the Echo of the Elements proc (just in case you are specced into it like me), so we can assume that the damage is correct in that case. I will test it anyway tonight.

[cbbflfjz]

You must take into account that Unleash Flame buff should empower only your casted Lava Burst, not the Overload proc nor the Echo of the Elements proc (just in case you are specced into it like me), so we can assume that the damage is correct in that case. I will test it anyway tonight.

yeah i know that, it only empowers the lava burst you cast right after unleash flame, but the overload dmg of that empowered lava burst should also be indirectly increased, because overload always does 75% of whatever dmg that triggered it, but instead it's at 58%

so
total dmg = unleash flame(lava burst) + 0.75[unleash flame(lava burst)]


please test what i said above if casting lightning bolt in your rotation lowers lava burst dmg main reason why ele is doing low dps in good gear.

oh and just thought i should add, i specced into:
ancestral swiftness and unleashed fury

[Asherdoom]

video taken from retail els pvp movie in end game pvp gear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk9J9q8xR_s

[cbbflfjz]

video taken from retail els pvp movie in end game pvp gear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk9J9q8xR_s

I'm discussing inconsistent lava burst dmg on dummies.

plus the shaman in the video has only 370k health, indicating he had tyrannical or malevolent gear, I don't see how this video helps in anyway.

[Balthasarr]

Hmm i just tested it few minutes ago , and Unleash flame from "Unleash elementals" spell does not increase the Overload effect
You just said 58 % of the main spell was the overload . Just mulitplty 58 % * 130 % = 75 % ( Clear Mahts ) <3

[Lolmaru]

Hmm I think you guys are just bad at ele shaman. 522 gear I'm averaging 130k dps on dummy which is still higher than it should be comparing it to retail. I dont get why people are complaining about damage when most classes are far higher than they should be.

[Gnoe]

did you guys keep in mind that proc you get that increases your dmg, I think it's clearcasting or something. Since I don't see it mentioned. it could explain fluctuations in dmg