Pandaria Pve spec

[DeMoNDx]

hi guys,i want to ask wich spec is the best one for pve :)

[CruelOne]

I'm interested in that as well...

[Bernabeu]

As for now it's arcane. Some say it's only because of the buff stacking bug, but I find it the best spec even when nothing stacks. Besides arcane, I've tested only frost. It's more than playable, it can pull decent numbers, but in my case arcane still beats it.

Maybe because I've always liked arcane more, started on WotLK and played through almost all Cata with it.

[Hordbane]

for now on dummy dpsing if u can really do the good rotation u will see that fire can show up like other specs(fire is not good for 5.2 anyway)
i was arcane for a while but its boring for me and also as Bernabeu Said they benefit alot from buff stacking that makes them op for none 518+ ppl
but when ur that high and have right gear for frost u can roll on frost like i did and i enjoy beating Arcane Mages :)) (not talking about council cus of that Nethertempest thing)

[Bernabeu]

u can roll on frost like i did and i enjoy beating Arcane Mages :))

What's your dps on, let's say, first 6 bosses in ToT (10 man)? I wonder because I might switch for something different but I'm almost 100% positive it doesn't beat mine in arcane (I'm 523).

[keyman]

Yoyo folks, here keyman, mage since wotlk ^^
Actualy arcane is more better then orher 2 specs in pve...i have full 530 gear and i tested fire vs arcane spec at first 4 bosses of tot 10...arcane is damn better! You need tons of master but if you have gear the ONLY dps that can beat you is warrior fury geared...i will post you some videos tomorrow of first 9 bosses of tot 10...anyway my usualy dps in tot is:
1boss) 200/250k (damage increased by pools)
2boss) 250/300k (damage increased every doors)
3boss) 400/500k (aoe)
4boss) 200k
5boss) 250/300k
6boss) 150/200k
7boss) 500/600k (damage increased with mutation)
8boss) 250/300k
9boss) 150/200k

[Hordbane]

What's your dps on, let's say, first 6 bosses in ToT (10 man)? I wonder because I might switch for something different but I'm almost 100% positive it doesn't beat mine in arcane (I'm 523).

1boss) 230-240 none water stuff
2boss) 240+
3boss) 320
4boss) 225+
5boss) 240 (not doing aoe dot )
6boss) 170
this is with my guilds semi core group not a full one
522 and i dont have fully frost buildup gear (main set-weap-trinks are pve )
also u can add frozen orb wrong script and pet stuff and other things that goes wrong to frost mage but still its fine
for now i didnt be in a raid that a arc mage beat me in raids for now (not 3rd boss) (alliance )
im not saying that arcane is bad im just bored of it and suggest frost to who ever feel like me :)

[Bernabeu]

Thanks for your replies, now I have something to compare to.

My dps seems a bit higher than yours, but it might be that we have better buffs in our raids (I regularly raid with a lock).

1. Last time was 298k and it was my best result so far in 10 man. I've used the water buffs though.
2. We usually kill Horridon before the third gate is closed but when I get the full buff, I can do 350k or more.
3. 440k is the lowest I got on the last three runs, the highest being 515k.
4. Sometimes it gets to 300k +
5. 240-250k
6. 200k

And compared to my frost tests, arcane scores much, much higher. Maybe because I'm new to frost and used arcane for a long time.

[Shadygnome]

if you are so kind, maibe you could share some info on the stats prio for frost mage and arcane pve ..
frost i think haste > mastery but not sure for arcane how it goes
thanks

[Bernabeu]

For arcane it's mostly stacking mastery as much as you can. With better gear, when you get some haste, you should aim for the haste cap (which is 9762) and then all into mastery. Hit should be at 15% but on Warmane it differs. I couldn't nail down exactly how much hit is enough.

[Maglx]

Hey, I play mage here since the "Grand Data Theft ". I started with arcane coz I didn't fancy the other 2 specs. With the increase of ilvl and stacking more mastery + release of toes I was able to burst 600k dps on protectors (which definitely equals 200k dps). On ToT's release I managed to maintain like 180-200k as arcane, only on council fight I was getting to like 450k-500k dps. In my opinion arcane is the best cleave spec BUT (and it's a big but :D ) most of the fight's cleaved damage is not relevant! Which means you might do 300k dps but it's because your barrage and mage bomb did hit anything around the boss.
For example Megaera - on the first green head your barrage and Nether Tempest does hit both heads which results in the total dps but not in the actual damage done to the current head.

Currently I play as frost. With normal raid buffs in 10 man I open with like 300-330k dps ( notice that frost bomb, glyph of icy veins and water elemental doesn't work as intended) then I can maintain like 220-250k dps and this dps is only on my current target in fights like jin'rokh, lei shen, iron quon etc.

Overall at the moment I prefer frost compared to arcane for PvE, fire is nice but requires a lot more crit gear.

P.S. Current ilvl 528