WotLK Threat increase rate question

[Sandayver]

Hello there,

Is anyone beside me have aggro generating issues in heroics? on pack of mobs (3+).

Before tell you details i should give you info for char :) So i am Frost DK with 30K unbuffed 550 def, decent dodge and parry, and hit rating of 226.
in main and off-hand i hold http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44250, and my build is http://wotlk.openwow.com/talent#j0xhZhgcxIMhzc0fuuAocx
I have HB glyph.I don't have any single problem with surviving but i wish it could be my only trouble :)

So the problem is, i pull pack with IT on primary (to get threat for later)>>HB on pack when they come and 2 x BB. Before HB reset i try to proc it with OB and then again HB. And actual problem is threat on secondary targets (the ones that affected by HB+BB) is RIDICULOUS low. In practice that mean when DPS start to AOE with 2 sec delay,they getting almost same aggro as i did.They force me start to apply RS and IT and even FS (with killing machine on) on secondary mobs in order to prevent pull from me. It's just annoying,i feel myself like i am in blood presence and try to tank (but i am not obviously). Is that just me who do it wrong or it's common to have so low threat on packs? )

[Kemii]

Death and Decay is your friend.

[Sandayver]

Even for frost? :) WTB more runes :)

[angrylol]

drop DnD and get both diseases on all mobs with Pestilence, then Rune Strike whichever mob has low threat.

[Bensten]

Even for frost? :) WTB more runes :)

What are you using your runes for? Your opener should always be DnD+Diseases. And your priority should also always be DnD+Diseases. If you have free runes to use, well, use 'em for HB, BB, w/e. However, HB is a dps talent and only viable as a filler.

[taralej]

HB by itself is a weak threat generator. DnD, then IT+PS, then Pest. After that you can use HB + 2xBB.

So in order to make this happen you might want to spec into Morbidity. I can't see myself or any other DK out there effectively pulling in dungeons without that talent, or without having to wait between pulls which is stupid. Also, it always helps marking the right target - DPSers are much less likely to aggro something you've ITed compared to the rest of the pack.

[Sandayver]

Thanks for advices,i was Blood all the time so Frost is like a dark forest to me. Changed build to http://wotlk.openwow.com/talent#j0xZhgcxIMhzc0fuuAocxh and its more stable now used exactly DnD>>UT>>PS>>PT>>HS>>BB and then depend on situation. As for marking i mark first two targets but in random party it often dont help,since ppl just hit whatever they like and AoE whenever they like. That why i changed to frost.

[angrylol]

Why there is such thing as threat?

[zerf]

Actually, both of those specs are not optimal for heroics and aoe tanking, because you're missing some crucial talents that complement howling blast (namely Bladed armor, Glacier rot and Black Ice).

Try this - http://wotlk.openwow.com/talent#j0EZhxexV0Iz0zfuuAo0x (glyph of howling blast recommended).

With this you'll have greatly improved AoE damage + threat and no need to waste time with DnD. This spec doesn't use Obliterate at all because I frankly it's more useful to spend runes elsewhere (IT for single target threat, Death Strike for self-heals, Howling Blast for damage/AoE). Always try use HB with KM proc.

I generally don't take Endless Winter because in naxx gear 4% str is laughable AP and I don't really care about runic power requirement for interrupt, but if you want to pick it up, swap out some points out of KM.

[taralej]

Looks cool, but you're missing Annihilation and Rime entirely, thus limiting yourself to using FU runes for DS outside of HB cooldown.

[zerf]

And why exactly would you want to use Obliterate when tanking? Already explained in previous post.

[Sandayver]

Actually, both of those specs are not optimal for heroics and aoe tanking, because you're missing some crucial talents that complement howling blast (namely Bladed armor, Glacier rot and Black Ice).

Try this - http://wotlk.openwow.com/talent#j0EZhxexV0Iz0zfuuAo0x (glyph of howling blast recommended).

With this you'll have greatly improved AoE damage + threat and no need to waste time with DnD. This spec doesn't use Obliterate at all because I frankly it's more useful to spend runes elsewhere (IT for single target threat, Death Strike for self-heals, Howling Blast for damage/AoE). Always try use HB with KM proc.

I generally don't take Endless Winter because in naxx gear 4% str is laughable AP and I don't really care about runic power requirement for interrupt, but if you want to pick it up, swap out some points out of KM.

Worth a try i think. Problem of DK tanking is at very early start of fight..DnD threat is slow like turtle and first two AoE of DPS (divine storm or cleave or chain lightning) will likely pull secondary targets from you.

[Sandayver]

Why there is such thing as threat?

It is,BLood is absolute favorite of survival but AoE threat with 3+ targets is pain.

[taralej]

And why exactly would you want to use Obliterate when tanking? Already explained in previous post.

Because it awards higher TPS and procs Rime.

[zerf]

Because it awards higher TPS and procs Rime.

In naxx gear (Lordaeron) it doesn't, not even close. Icy touch with KM is the best single target TPS, period.