You think you do but you dont

[Imperiet]

Seriously that smug face annoys the crap out of me. What kind of an answer is that, that guy gets the ******* award of the year.

I guess he just couldnt say openly that "look we are not going to give you legacy servers because then you wouldnt be forced anymore to buy all our other expansions and every future crap expansion, meaning we would not be making money for activision... Q.Q"

No, lets just tell them "you think you do but you dont".

[Sixtyninee]

"You think you think, but you don't." would be the appropriate response to Blizzard in this case.

[Gwola]

WoW is a business and they treat it as such , they make money from subs and expansions .

Without the need of buying an expansion there will be less money comming in , it's simple .

[Sixtyninee]

Without the need of buying an expansion there will be less money comming in , it's simple .

WoD comes to mind.

[Watamote]

WoW is a business and they treat it as such , they make money from subs and expansions .

Without the need of buying an expansion there will be less money comming in , it's simple .

This is why money is considered the root of all evil.

[Anorien16]

This is why money is considered the root of all evil.

I thought Greed (+ 6 Other sins) was the root of all Evil.


Also OP .... No One is 'forced' to buy any expansions as far as I am aware. In fact I am sure that no one forced play WoW at all. They simply offer a product, expand the product (For their own profit) and you are given the choice to buy or not buy.

As for the Legacy servers .... I really dont understand the charm of a stagnant version with really bad balance and tuning. Nostalgia should not hold any person this tightly as that is the basis of a abusive relationship.

[saghha]

I thought Greed (+ 6 Other sins) was the root of all Evil.


Also OP .... No One is 'forced' to buy any expansions as far as I am aware. In fact I am sure that no one forced play WoW at all. They simply offer a product, expand the product (For their own profit) and you are given the choice to buy or not buy.

As for the Legacy servers .... I really dont understand the charm of a stagnant version with really bad balance and tuning. Nostalgia should not hold any person this tightly as that is the basis of a abusive relationship.

I think it's a catch 22 here. Blizzard can do what they want with new expansions, but people are just getting tired of Blizzard's bad choices these days. I know a lot of people that have flat out quit and won't be going back as the game has changed to much and way to casual and not enough BIG Hard RPG. Blizzard seemed to think catering to a new demographic was the right thing to do, i've gladly stopped paying and playing to show them how wrong i think they are. If they don't wanna listen to all the popular trends, that's fine. They can keep enjoying their 5 Mil subs, that's exactly where Legions going to tank back down to with in 6 months.

What has always sustained MMO's and kept people playing was the fact it took a lot of effort to get stuff done. Now Leveling is to easy, Gearing for Raiding is to easy, completing at least one raid difficulty easy as pushing a button. What else is there left to do? Legacy stuff? Oh, that's okay... they can raid old content for mounts, Tmogs, etc in the newest expansion, but it's bad to release those expansions back into the wild. Makes perfect since.

Anyways i'll be happy if legion is the beta test of the last expansion as it's pretty obvious in the next few years Blizzard's done with making new expansions for WoW, I'd guess one more after legion and that's it.

[taralej]

@Anorien16 - watch this video and if you have any further doubts, consider quitting WoW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM40cK5tu7w

[Anorien16]

@Anorien16 - watch this video and if you have any further doubts, consider quitting WoW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM40cK5tu7w

Such argument. Much counter. WOW.

I mean Large Scale PVP is impossible in WoD which has nothing to offer but Garrison. In fact this is the most well thought, reasonable and unbiased comparison ever.

After watching that video I am finally ready to scoop my brains out and start believing in superiority of the unbalanced and equally braindead spamfest.

PS I quite wow a while back because I was burnt out.
PPS If you want to make a argument .... next time please present at least a tiny shred of logic in you **** soup.

I think it's a catch 22 here. Blizzard can do what they want with new expansions, but people are just getting tired of Blizzard's bad choices these days. I know a lot of people that have flat out quit and won't be going back as the game has changed to much and way to casual and not enough BIG Hard RPG. Blizzard seemed to think catering to a new demographic was the right thing to do, i've gladly stopped paying and playing to show them how wrong i think they are. If they don't wanna listen to all the popular trends, that's fine. They can keep enjoying their 5 Mil subs, that's exactly where Legions going to tank back down to with in 6 months.

Thats how Business and Capitalism works really .... The company makes a choice and lives with it. I have no issue with people leaving WoW. Thats their right and they should always vote with their wallet. But think for a second .... being stuck with a 5 million subs is not really a insult.

What has always sustained MMO's and kept people playing was the fact it took a lot of effort to get stuff done. Now Leveling is to easy, Gearing for Raiding is to easy, completing at least one raid difficulty easy as pushing a button. What else is there left to do?

Try to do the content not meant for casuals? Like Mythic maybe? Or Take on the different challenges like raiding without an item? What I find amusing is that people are really concerned about other people having a choice that they dont like.

Legacy stuff? Oh, that's okay... they can raid old content for mounts, Tmogs, etc in the newest expansion, but it's bad to release those expansions back into the wild. Makes perfect since.

Makes as much sense as the wonderful view via the rose tinted Glasses.

Anyways i'll be happy if legion is the beta test of the last expansion as it's pretty obvious in the next few years Blizzard's done with making new expansions for WoW, I'd guess one more after legion and that's it.

I am no expert myself .... But you really arnt a expert in finances are u? Cash cow is a real business term u know.

[taralej]

Such argument. Much counter. WOW.

I mean Large Scale PVP is impossible in WoD which has nothing to offer but Garrison. In fact this is the most well thought, reasonable and unbiased comparison ever.

Thank you! Glad to see you didn't miss the whole point of the comparison.

After watching that video I am finally ready to scoop my brains out and start believing in superiority of the unbalanced and equally braindead spamfest.

Yes, because currently PvP and PvE on WoD are not unbalanced and equally braindead spamfests. Right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfxPZZ6fmNE

My bro bought a Blizz sub some months ago. Got instant level, then got a garrison - a week later he had already killed WoD's final boss. He then rolled an alt, got to max level in 2 days and cancelled his subscription. If you think that's real WoW, if you think that's fun - then the door is over there and you can just **** off from this forum since you obviously aren't playing on this server either.

PPS If you want to make a argument .... next time please present at least a tiny shred of logic in you **** soup.

No need. The argument is strong enough as it is. You don't get it though.

Thats how Business and Capitalism works really .... The company makes a choice and lives with it. I have no issue with people leaving WoW. Thats their right and they should always vote with their wallet. But think for a second .... being stuck with a 5 million subs is not really a insult.

For comparison, GW2 has 7 million, Hearthstone currently has +40 million, LoL has 67 million.

Try to do the content not meant for casuals? Like Mythic maybe? Or Take on the different challenges like raiding without an item? What I find amusing is that people are really concerned about other people having a choice that they dont like.

Yes, because by making that choice they can get the same results with far less effort. Which is. Exactly. What. Dumbing down. Means.

I am no expert myself .... But you really arnt a expert in finances are u? Cash cow is a real business term u know.

The cash cow called "World of Warcraft" ran dry some 2-3 years ago. Now they're just beating it dead and sucking it dry until the entire player base abandons the product, and the company with it. I'm not gonna play Overwatch because there are FAR far better FPSers than that, HotS is trash defined, Diablo III is nothing anymore, Hearthstone is a casual game, Starcraft II is something they're paying slightly more attention to than Wacraft IV.

Seems to me that you're just defending Blizzard's awful decisions over the last years and justifying the whole watering down of the game. If that's so, then you just have no place in this discussion.There is NOTHING that Blizzard did well in the last several years. Nothing. I am not saying that vanilla was perfect - that it offered balanced PvP and PvE. But I am saying that I'd rather play vanilla than anything post-Cata, and that's only because of the class development on Cata - probably the only good thing for the whole expansion, besides X-mog (lol). MoP is just laughable and WoD is so casual I feel like I'm playing a facebook game or something. Damn, even facebook games are harder than WoD.

[magaginho]

Thank you! Glad to see you didn't miss the whole point of the comparison.

Yes, because currently PvP and PvE on WoD are not unbalanced and equally braindead spamfests. Right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfxPZZ6fmNE

No need. The argument is strong enough as it is. You don't get it though.



For comparison, GW2 has 7 million, Hearthstone currently has +40 million, LoL has 67 million.



Yes, because by making that choice they can get the same results with far less effort. Which is. Exactly. What. Dumbing down. Means.




The cash cow called "World of Warcraft" ran dry some 2-3 years ago. Now they're just beating it dead and sucking it dry until the entire player base abandons the product, and the company with it. I'm not gonna play Overwatch because there are FAR far better FPSers than that, HotS is trash defined, Diablo III is nothing anymore, Hearthstone is a casual game, Starcraft II is something they're paying slightly more attention to than Wacraft IV.

Seems to me that you're just defending Blizzard's awful decisions over the last years and justifying the whole watering down of the game. If that's so, then you just have no place in this discussion.There is NOTHING that Blizzard did well in the last several years. Nothing. I am not saying that vanilla was perfect - that it offered balanced PvP and PvE. But I am saying that I'd rather play vanilla than anything post-Cata, and that's only because of the class development on Cata - probably the only good thing for the whole expansion, besides X-mog (lol). MoP is just laughable and WoD is so casual I feel like I'm playing a facebook game or something. Damn, even facebook games are harder than WoD.

Personally I don't like to get myself in those kind of comparisons. As a WoD player myself all I say is this; There are tastes for everything and the game developed to this stage because of one thing: Community. The community asked for a huge chunk of this content and they got served with it. Now they make rants because the game is way too easy when back in Vanilla they would rant on how long the travel times were - Not to talk about the grindings.

Personally I don't have the patience anymore to go through the hard grinding that you were forced to go through back in Vanilla. Vanilla was also missing crucial points for a really good gameplay experience and some of those points were brought into game with TBC and WOTLK. With this said my point is;

There will always be a fan for each content. From Vanilla to WoD - The game developed and this is how things are.

[taralej]

The thing is those ****heads can just release vanilla and fix those issues at the same time! It's their game, after all.

Leveling was made this way so you'd be forced to play with other players, do dungeons, change zones. So you're just starting WoW? What? You expect to get 10 levels clean just by soloquesting in a single zone? ****, no, mate! That's not how MMOs work. I think I can safely say I've never ever had to grind mobs for leveling. There are enough quests spread through all the zones, you just have to move your butt to go there. Or just do a couple of dungeons.

It's just so freaking dumb how I leveled some dwarf paladin on WoD simply by spamming RDF from 15 to 50 in one night while sitting in Goldshire that I cannot even find the words for it. Why am I even playing the game if such options exist? "But you don't have to use these options" - no, I don't. That doesn't change the fact that 3/4 of the players do it and there are literally no people around. It doesn't even feel like an MMO anymore. It is only slightly different than a phone game nowadays, especially with the garrisons and pet battles. Several phone games even come to my mind immediately which are pretty much 1-to-1 with the garrisons and pet battles and these 2 things are pretty much what most of today's WoW is all about. REALLY, Blizzard?!?

[magaginho]

The thing is those ****heads can just release vanilla and fix those issues at the same time! It's their game, after all.

Leveling was made this way so you'd be forced to play with other players, do dungeons, change zones. So you're just starting WoW? What? You expect to get 10 levels clean just by soloquesting in a single zone? ****, no, mate! That's not how MMOs work. I think I can safely say I've never ever had to grind mobs for leveling. There are enough quests spread through all the zones, you just have to move your butt to go there. Or just do a couple of dungeons.

It's just so freaking dumb how I leveled some dwarf paladin on WoD simply by spamming RDF from 15 to 50 in one night while sitting in Goldshire that I cannot even find the words for it. Why am I even playing the game if such options exist? "But you don't have to use these options" - no, I don't. That doesn't change the fact that 3/4 of the players do it and there are literally no people around.

I am aware of that and trust me when I say that I'm really way too aware of it. I'm not saying that you're not right 'cause you are. They took away the "magic" of leveling and watching the lore develop through the multiple questlines they offered.

But, as I stated, the people that you have to blame for this is the community itself and not Blizzard/Activision. This community were the ones that demanded this through the several expansions that were released until WOD. People also state that since they already grinded multiple times, they don't have to do it again. It's one of those endless discussions that will always end with the same old conclusion (which I don't agree); You have multiple ways to level your character. Use the way that fits you the best and let everyone enjoy their choice.

[taralej]

The way they have it right now RDF spamming is far superior to questing because you get better items and more XP, all while sitting in the middle of Goldshire or Orgrimmar and not giving a ****. Yes, you can just go on and quest... and it will be many times slower, with 2-3 times worse gear and everyone will call you out on just how inefficient and dumb you are for "actually trying to do quests in an RPG".

[Anorien16]

Thank you! Glad to see you didn't miss the whole point of the comparison.

You mean there was actually a point in the comparison? Pray tell.

Yes, because currently PvP and PvE on WoD are not unbalanced and equally braindead spamfests. Right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfxPZZ6fmNE

From what I could tell ... Most specs can be played to some degree and one has to use more than a few abilities to be good. But lets just say it is as you said ... so its as good as Vanilla?

My bro bought a Blizz sub some months ago. Got instant level, then got a garrison - a week later he had already killed WoD's final boss. He then rolled an alt, got to max level in 2 days and cancelled his subscription. If you think that's real WoW, if you think that's fun - then the door is over there and you can just **** off from this forum since you obviously aren't playing on this server either.

Your brother skipped most of the content and did what is considered super casual content. Probably didnt even do heroic ... let alone Mythic. You consider that kind of sightseeing actually 'playing' WoW?

Also you can stop ****ting out of your mouth or that will cycle back to your rectum. I have played everything this server had to offer, and I will **** off when I want.

No need. The argument is strong enough as it is. You don't get it though.

Almost religion level of logic ... 'There is certain person up there who tells things exactly the way I want them, you dont understand them though.'

Can you actually substantiate you argument? (If you are aware that is.)

For comparison, GW2 has 7 million, Hearthstone currently has +40 million, LoL has 67 million.

Buy to Play (Partially Free to Play) , Free to Play, Free to Play ..... False Equivalencies much?

Yes, because by making that choice they can get the same results with far less effort. Which is. Exactly. What. Dumbing down. Means.

Says the one whose brother does LFR and thinks he has done anything a brain dead chimp cant do.

The cash cow called "World of Warcraft" ran dry some 2-3 years ago. Now they're just beating it dead and sucking it dry until the entire player base abandons the product, and the company with it. I'm not gonna play Overwatch because there are FAR far better FPSers than that, HotS is trash defined, Diablo III is nothing anymore, Hearthstone is a casual game, Starcraft II is something they're paying slightly more attention to than Wacraft IV.

Ok people widely claim that WoD avg subscription is abt 5 million. So ... 5 x 15 = 75 Million per month (lets just hypothese that WoD lasted 6 months ... 75x6= 450 million) from subs alone, excluding expansion sales. So that is a dried up cash cow? You would have a very short career in Finances.

Your not playing Overwatch is not really gonna spell doom for Overwatch you know. I dont play Destiny or the Divison either ... both are badly made yet somewhat profitable.

Seems to me that you're just defending Blizzard's awful decisions over the last years and justifying the whole watering down of the game.

This has been the complaint since Vanilla .... try something Original please.

If that's so, then you just have no place in this discussion.

Who are you to decide that mate?

There is NOTHING that Blizzard did well in the last several years. Nothing.

Says the person whose 'brother' skips content and does LFR .... Questing and Raids were quite good actually, for those who had the balls to venture beyond normal that is. Other than that ... yes most of the other stuff was lack luster.

I am not saying that vanilla was perfect - that it offered balanced PvP and PvE. But I am saying that I'd rather play vanilla than anything post-Cata, and that's only because of the class development on Cata - probably the only good thing for the whole expansion, besides X-mog (lol). MoP is just laughable and WoD is so casual I feel like I'm playing a facebook game or something.

If you play casual content ... then it would feel surprisingly casual. As I said have you done any of the Mythic raids?

Damn, even facebook games are harder than WoD.

Have you done Myhic Archimonde? or the Ironman Challenge?

The way they have it right now RDF spamming is far superior to questing because you get better items and more XP, all while sitting in the middle of Goldshire or Orgrimmar and not giving a ****.

What other people do is your concern .... how?

Yes, you can just go on and quest... and it will be many times slower, with 2-3 times worse gear

So not the less casual way to level. Odd ... I was under the impress that you disliked the casual stuff.

and everyone will call you out on just how inefficient and dumb you are for "actually trying to do quests in an RPG".

People follow you around while you quest or do you declare you action in global chat?

You really seem like the person who sits on a cactus and complains that the butt hurts for some reason.