Realms Current State of Blackrock (Onyxia experiance)

[Zajma]

Hello Developers aswell as community of warmane, i would like to congratulate u all on a successful release on TBC server aswell you guys out there grinding your way upto level 70, it was pretty cool the first few days since launch, the wpvp was pretty fun aswell questing/dungeon experiance was amazing upto 70, aswell BGs was pretty neat to play on. sadly since the first season started there has been pretty much hard time to play PvP in both arenas aswell as BGs (from onyxia perspective).


The current state of blackrock players merging with onyxia has been a really really really bad experiance over the few days. there are more cons then pros (from a onyxian PoV) and ill try to list a few of them here hopefully this thread wont be long enough....(i hope...)

First of all. What is Blackrock?

Most that dont know (which im pretty certain mostly all know by this point) is that Blackrock is a instant level 70 pvp ready server, basically you log into a 70 character of your choice, you pick the spec you would like to play and you get equppied with (mostly) blue items and avargeing around 1250 GS right from the start. You get aswell 20k gold, Access to alot of NPCs (Starter Gear, Presets, Class Trainer) which yield alot of options to customize your character even further.

These NPCs have a huge viarty of items to choose from (NPC Starter gear) gives u alot of options even some BiS PvP Rings. Alot of good PvE gear which will boost certain classes crit/ap/int/agi/str/sp rate with a huge amount aswell some few pvp items with resiliance on it which makes ppl from blackrock pretty damn tanky right of the bat. also all gear from this npc is basically free of no cost either in honor (nor gold even tho its pretty much useless on blackrock)

Besides the gear vendors blackrock players got a few other NPCs which are pretty OP and thats the "General Vendor", "Gem Vendor", "Enchant Vendor"

After few investigations since November the 20th ive noticed that several of these items from General Vendor is way to strong and aswell require no cost at all such as the Super Mana Potion which gives you about 1.8-3k Mana on click, Super Healing Potion which Heals for 1500-2500 Health per click
or the..........hold your hats now.......... Super Rejuvenation Potions (or as we call it "God Potion") which gives the user 1650-2750 Mana and Health on a single click 2 min CD. This potion is so good that it could be counted as flat resiliance boost by the user, its great for casters or healers that are semi low on health and mana and could litterly change the ties in a fight. there are several protection potions for all kinds of elemental that absorbs 2.8k-4k damage (yea imagne fighting locks, frost mages, shamans and so on with these) and they only costs 300 honor per potion which is pretty cheap still. Then ill just name the rest of the potions when im allready at it for instance Insane Strenght Potion 120 STR -75 Defense, Haste potions 400 Haste 15 sec, Destruction Potion 2 Spell crit + 120 SP, Alot of utility elixirs aswell that makes blackrock characters pretty damn strong overall, they have alot of options but on what cost? for 300 honor each only! yep thats right one of the most soaked potions/elixirs in the game only costs 300 honor each.

Besides the potions there are food that makes your character stronger such as Golden Fish Sticks (Boost Healing done with 44 aswell giving 20 spirit) super useful for resto druids in tree of life is just an example, Blackened Basilisk which gives flat 23 SP boost, Ravager Dog which gives wooping 40 AP, Grilled Mudfish 20 AGI, Roasted Clefthood 20 STR, Blackened Sporefish 20 Stamina and 10 MP5. Just one item cost only 100 honor which means its really really really easly to stack up on these.

Of to the enchant vendor to pay this little goblin a visit! Enchants! the most soaked thing after gearing for any player playing WoW either it be PvP or PvE. This Vendor will give u goosebumps (if you are Blackrock player or nightmares if you are a onyxian player facing blackrocks). Hes offering alot of enchants, pretty certain that he accually offers all enchants relevant to end gear in TBC. the enchant list is massive so explaining every single enchant sold by the vendor would probably take a few hours and ppl would stop read so ill keep it simple. All enchants are sold for 1250 Honor each pretty much all pieces but not Weapon Enchants they are 5000 Honor (!!!!!!!) and Legs enchant are 2400 honor! YES 2400 honor for leg enchants!!! even tho this sounds reasonable its still WAY to cheap for these enchants. ill talk more about this in the summary at the end of the post.

Gem Enchant, basically gives u pretty much all the gems in the game from minor to major even meta gems for 0-700 honor cost....... Ornate ones cost like 10k but you can only have one of these so i dont i can say anything bad about those....

Besides those NPCs blackrock players can Heroic Daily Quest NPC aswell as Raid Weekly Quest NPC. ive only did a few bgs to test this out so i only farmed for 5 AB Marks turned them in to the HC NPC got a chest from Blood Furnace HC. Got 5 items and out of those 5 items (4 blue items totally random 2 plate item, 1 cloth, 1 leather 115ilvl gear aswell an EPIC item called Talisman of the breaker which is a amulet which reduces Silence and Interrupt effects by 20% this is huge in pvp). Im way to shocked honestly but ill try out the Raid NPC just can imagne how much loot they will give aswell with no competition at all its just all for me, i dont have to fight other ppl for this loot. Keep in mind you get 5 Marks per win in a BG so geting those are pretty easly, besides HC Chest you can aswell turn in each Mark (AB,AV,WSG+EOTS) for 750 reputation to either Aldor or Scryer Rep...... this NPC Goblin goes hand in hand with the Enchant Goblin NPC since you can buy the Aldor/Scryer rep enchants which are pretty damn good.

So Why is blackrock such a issue you might ask? well simple, alot of players from onyxia dont have this advantage currently majority of the onyxians are casual players with pretty much questing gear, barley any gold, and gold matters ALOT like super alot even. Without gold its hard to progress, and to get gold its not a easy task requires alot of farming hence if we should compare these 2 servers its no fact that its harder by many miiiiiles to get those Enchants, Gems, Potions, Elixirs, Food Bandages and list can be long! (im sitting on 37 gold since i dont do farming i do mostly only pvp on onyxia which means ill probably never have a leg enchant or meta gem #HelpMe) Meta gems are like 600g each on Onyxia, im honestly even frighten to look up what those legs enchant even costs by current state, potions are really limited, i use those 41 level potions currently but not all the time since even they cost alot in the long run.

Now since we all can clearly see that these servers are not meant to be merged with each other atleast not in this state of TBC like 4 days after the great green portal opened up......... i would like to add some solutions to this, keep in mind this is my propose to this issue






Solutions =




1. Remove the merge between these 2 servers, Keep blackrock and let blackrock have its own Arena ladder aswell as BG Queue.


2. Add a option so we (Onyxian) can Opt IN/OUT from blackrock like we got Mercy Mode for an example.


3. Nerf blackrock! with this i mean increase the cost of items, starter gear can be there with all those great items just make every item cost like 10k honor, the BiS pvp rings (Band of Truimph/dominance) should have Onyxia Prices 14k honor+ 10 AV Marks. Increase the costs of potions/enchant/gem alot depending on potion/enchant/gem of course but for instance Super Revjuvenation Potion should not be spammed on every 2 min CD you can basically just add it into ur "Oh Sh!t" healing macro on blackrock to regain ALOT of health for free on a 2 min CD (my personal view would be add a cost of 10k honor PER potion of these)
Remove HC/Raid Dungeon this clearly makes a blackrock character sooooooo much stronger then an onyxian player due to alot of players on onyxia wont be able to do raids at all nor HCs even. The point with blackrock is to do pvp, leting them even doing end game as pve stuff kills the entire purpose of onyxia..... Also 100% free mount to every blackrock player, cant you make them have 60% and they need to buy mount + skill equvilent to onyxias 570g cost? since most onyxian players in bgs are running with 60% mount still.

4. Remove the Merge of Onyxia and Blackrock and put FORCED Mercy Mode on both servers which would make BG queues healthy for both servers without interfering one server with the other.



Summary its pretty much clear by this point that these 2 servers dont work well togheter, i could understand if a PvP server got merged with a PvE server but these 2 are way to diffrent just that blackrock has all the advantage since on onyxia it will take so much time, ive started the game with rep grind on onyxia to be able to buy aldor rep enchant, but why farm rep when blackrock can easly get it for free just by pvping in the long run

both servers are very very very healthy in player base currently they could be put on a seperate bgs without limiting the pvp queues.

The fun with warmane wpvp and bgs well from my own experiance was that sometimes u could fight a foe from the opposite faction (or even your own faction on mercy mode) and that was the fun part cuz u knew like "Hey that guy is pretty dope he worked his way to that gear and hes pretty skilled NGL) with introduction of Blackrock players its more like "Well great.... onther one of those im lazy i want everything for free guy" it kinda killed the hype, during leveling proccess here on tbc launch i encountered several alliance players which i had amazing fights against in bgs on vanilla warmane prepatch and then i saw them in wpvp and we had a blast farming each other out just for the feeling, now i dont feel the same thing about blackrock players since my progression and their progression is not even same. why do i need to walk the long road when someone else got it for free mentality.

Please Developers of warmane hear my call, reconsidering some major changes for Onyxia aswell Blackrock ive done several days of bgs and its just not thrilling anymore.



ALSO would be really cool if you guys could add on Onyxia so we can trade in Marks or Honor for Silver/gold! with this i mean like Sell 1 AV Mark to vendor for 50 Silver or 1k Honor for 1 gold or something, this would be amazing for us pvp lovers, it wouldnt make us rich and we wont probably make enough gold to buy an 280 epic flying with it but atleast we will be able to buy drinks/foods from vendors, save for respecs, perhaps save for dual specs or even 60% flying mount in the long run or some minor enchants!

this is by faaaaaaaaar the best private server out there by miles ahead of every server thats currently out, and i would love to it be epic as it was in prepatch vanilla and before arena season began!





To The Devs of warmane a little scenario so you can understand my post about this current statment!

"Imagne you sit at your desk, and think for your self man i love my job its a amazing job, i really love this job, suddenly you see this new guy entering the office His name is Eric, Eric Has just arrived to work, he enters the CEO's office. After about 15 mintues Eric comes out and yell in happiness "GUESS WHAT CEO GAVE ME A FREE TESLA" His yelling so hard his lungs are about to explode, suddenly you hear the guy named Clark yelling from the other side of the room "HOLY I GOT ONE ASWELL!" and you sit there like "Heeeeey wait a minute whats happening here, i need to work ages for that tesla! why is Eric and Clark geting it for free. you start to feeling depressed, but you dont want to give up on work since you love this job, you keep on working but suddenlty u notice that several ppl are geting a new tesla but you arent.......why arent you geting it but they do? why is its so unfair u puted alot of work into this job."



Wops i wrote more then i tought i would


Love you all have a nice weekend
Best Wishes / Milkgonebad

[Megordyn]

a crying emoji couldve saved you a lot of time

[AKONECESAD]

Have the devs made any comments on this ?
Will they do something to fix the balance or as milkgonebad said to either SPLIT or give the choice TO PLAY WITH or WITHOUT ?