Realms Ninja loot policy for enchanters + extra idea for warmane creators

[Flinston]

Hi, I'm here to introduce a rule for every enchanter playing Random dungeons to be able press "need" for trash item without worrying
of get banned (of course if he's not taking item that can improve someone's gear).

Ninja loot policy does not say that enchanter can't need for a RDF trash item, but (mostly) people knowing that can contain enchant
mats without enchant profession or people being fully enchanted already does not agree for that. Even one of the moderators said
it has to have permission of others to need, but as we know, guys won't agree, not all but mostly (comparing it to my experiences)
to get some money from disenchant or to get lower prices for enchanting gear (sadly for enchanters). Here some argues that
"needing for enchanting" should be acceptable:

First of all it would has a huge impact into game:
-economy improve (at this point, enchant mats prices are ridiculously low compare what upgrades can do to others professions. People also wont get shock, because still u can disenchant if there is no enchanter in team)
-more appreciation for enchanters
-raise of enchanters

Second thing, imagine something like that happens to ALL gathering professions. You are able to get mining/herbalism/skinning/disenchant
mats during RDF, It makes the prices goin down of each profession, because there is a lot of it on AH, so each one suffer
because of ease of getting these components. It can't happened, it would destroy economy, but it happened to enchant profession in wotlk
unfortunately, what contributed to enchanters population decrease (that's one of the reason that developers deleted it in future)

Third, I think most of people knows the meaning of word need. So if someone really needs it to improve, that's why not give it to them, hmm?
People need to gear up by getting better gear, also enchanters needs items to improve their profession that makes self/OTHER people improve,
EVEN THAT PEOPLE WHO HAS CHEEKS SQUEEZE when enchant want an trash item to make their wet gear set dream come true.

Fourth is saying that RDF disenchant icon automatically makes it a "greed" option (disenchant=improved greed, simple)
and that's the next thing that decided to delete it from retail. So people who takes disenchant just need a money of it or get lower prices for enchant,
not even being an enchanter.

Fifth, huge wotlk developers brain freeze that make them delete it, because of stupidness of this option. One of the worst mistakes of
blizzard and people love to exploit it than repair it.

For server creators:
Other, making more fair rule, but drastically changing the game economy would be DELETING OR PROHIBITION OF DISENCHANT OPTION DURNING RDF. Making a fresh economy might be interesting, but it would be a chaos that warmane creators might not risk considering the good of the server.

[Aoto]

Here's the problem I see with this: Since Disenchant shows up for everyone if there's an Enchanter in the party, regardless of whether there's 1 or 5...that would trigger the Enchanter being allowed to roll Need, correct?

So...how can you guarantee that Non-Enchanters are not rolling Need? They can just claim "Oh I have Enchanting too!"

[Flinston]

Here's the problem I see with this: Since Disenchant shows up for everyone if there's an Enchanter in the party, regardless of whether there's 1 or 5...that would trigger the Enchanter being allowed to roll Need, correct?

So...how can you guarantee that Non-Enchanters are not rolling Need? They can just claim "Oh I have Enchanting too!"

In this situation u just let people not being enchanters to need. Hmm, It would make automatically disapear the disenchant buttom, making need/greed option only. Of course people would pass most of the items (if they are not *******s) to enchanters, becouse of no profit by selling them and make enchanters being able to improve even faster.

[Flinston]

In this situation u just let people not being enchanters to need. Hmm, It would make automatically disapear the disenchant buttom, making need/greed option only. Of course people would pass most of the items (if they are not *******s) to enchanters, becouse of no profit by selling them and make enchanters being able to improve even faster.

It also would make an additional trade rotation of selling dropped items from dungeons to enchanters to make it more fair :)

[Flinston]

It also clean a shiet stuff that is selling for ridiculous prices that un-fair treating enchanters

[Allylilith]

and all the cloth that drops should only go to the tailor too? without the rest of the group, those things wouldnt drop for you, and you arent any more entitled to them than the other 4 players. the disenchant option exists for everyone for a reason

[Flinston]

U can gather cloth, but almost no any tailor buys it, because of stupid prices. As I said, blizzard made a mistake that was repaired.

[angrylol]

You can't allow to monopolize crucial part of the gearing process. It will never happen.
Besides you did not explain a single thing, how it would be better or why would it be good when enchanting reagents are more expensive, or whatever you mean. 99% of players have their own enchanters, so why cant they collect materials for themselves?

You idea is whack, I want to see you actually convince someone that they didn't get an upgrade because you needed to sell that enchant for nice profit.

[Allylilith]

I have been on servers and even here in raids, where the enchanter disenchants all the spare loot and then evenly distributes the materials across all raid members afterwards. I couldnt imagine that there would be someone out there, who gets this mad over the fact, that not every single spare item of groups goes to him alone.
I am sorry, but if I am in a dungeon and some random blue 20g weapon drops and the enchanter insists that it is his, and his alone (going as far as calling the push of the disenchant button "exploiting"), I dont feel sorry for the guy getting reported, just because he can transform it into a shard of lower value for himself. I also dont see why you assume that this has any influence on the price of enchanting materials

[Flinston]

You can't allow to monopolize crucial part of the gearing process. It will never happen.
Besides you did not explain a single thing, how it would be better or why would it be good when enchanting reagents are more expensive, or whatever you mean. 99% of players have their own enchanters, so why cant they collect materials for themselves?

You idea is whack, I want to see you actually convince someone that they didn't get an upgrade because you needed to sell that enchant for nice profit.

But making rules, that is not in ninja policy and allowing people to make own to get additional half of profession is ok?

[Flinston]

I have been on servers and even here in raids, where the enchanter disenchants all the spare loot and then evenly distributes the materials across all raid members afterwards. I couldnt imagine that there would be someone out there, who gets this mad over the fact, that not every single spare item of groups goes to him alone.
I am sorry, but if I am in a dungeon and some random blue 20g weapon drops and the enchanter insists that it is his, and his alone (going as far as calling the push of the disenchant button "exploiting"), I dont feel sorry for the guy getting reported, just because he can transform it into a shard of lower value for himself. I also dont see why you assume that this has any influence on the price of enchanting materials

Puppies of a guilds do staff like that, BARK

[Flinston]

Nvm, I'm just discuss with non enchant people, guilds azz ligers maybe idc, but the sense of the post is stupidness of disenchant button and the love to this button by some kind of people what is really weird. Every person that's protects this button is really making love with it. U guys love to click it to see the power of 2,5 existing profession and almost make a spierma, because of that. To all enchanters in guilds or obedient bombastics - keep clicking disenchant button to make it fair enough to get other people other half profession. Probably u won't get ban for clicking it, I never get since i tried it (maybe after this post of course). There was not that much people threating me with report (about 5-10 rdfs was about to report me, I'm 4,8gs) but still was. Nothing, especially if I say about enchanting profession. I'm glad did not get with the same people from the forum, cuz I would be banned for A THOUSND YEARS. Also I'm glad these people is not playing dungeons probably that much because of their powerful champs so I won't find them (or if they are goin to snipe me). If I'm getting banned it's because of this post, bb.

[Morvion]

when enchanters should be able to press need for their profession for gold. people will apply the same logic and start pressing need on everything cz they need the gold for whatever they need to buy with that gold. then someone start making forum post about it, then the replies tell him needing something for gold to buy what he needs is greed. then he refuses it due to enchanting is able to need everything for gold. nice

[Flinston]

when enchanters should be able to press need for their profession for gold. people will apply the same logic and start pressing need on everything cz they need the gold for whatever they need to buy with that gold. then someone start making forum post about it, then the replies tell him needing something for gold to buy what he needs is greed. then he refuses it due to enchanting is able to need everything for gold. nice

Won't press need because u wont be able to get dream shard/abyss crystal. Azz squeeze that u can't be an enchanter. Pathetic...

[OhieMitzen]

Enchanting profession is fine, and you can still make easy money out of it.

What you want is a right to need roll anything that isn't needed for gear upgrade. You want to make enchanters to have the 2nd highest priority for loot. You think that's fair at all? Enchanting monopoly here we go. You chose the profession, nobody forced you to take it, you took it because you wanted it. How is enchanter's gold more important than other profession users, or anybody else's for that matter?

Need is to equip MS items.
Greed is to make profit or for OS items.

Do note that your needy DE *** wants to take away from people building their OS as well. There would never be allowed OS need roll, because it can be blocked by your needy & greedy *** saying "I don't allow you to roll need for OS."