Realms Mounting

[Lightforged]

Good afternoon,

Apologies in advance in case this has been suggested before and been denied.

I'd like to create a suggestion regarding flying mounts in non-flying zones like Stormwind, what this means is that players would be able to mount on their flying mount and run around with it, a little bit like in retail except you still would not be able to fly as this is WOTLK after all. Flying-mount in my personal opinion do have better movement animation than ground mounts and would create a cool aspect of what everyone has achieved.

Just a simple suggestion that would create a bit of an extra for players to enjoy, nothing too serious that would affect gameplay. Sure it might make the low-end pc players feel a bit of lag but a low-end pc in 2025 for a game of this age wouldn't even matter.

[Golema76]

It will never happen. It's easy to exploit this to fly in Azeroth, gameplay will be impacted and a lot of areas were not completed before Cataclysm (check it on Noggit)

[OhieMitzen]

It will never happen. It's easy to exploit this to fly in Azeroth, gameplay will be impacted and a lot of areas were not completed before Cataclysm (check it on Noggit)

The suggestion is about using flying mounts as ground mounts in Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms. Not about flying in those areas. Only exploit I can think of would be people finding a creative way to actually fly in those zones

[Golema76]

The suggestion is about using flying mounts as ground mounts in Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms. Not about flying in those areas. Only exploit I can think of would be people finding a creative way to actually fly in those zones

That's what I'm saying, someone who knows about it could easily exploit this I have done modding and scripting in the past. The best solution is to create your own MPQ which will replace one mount with another.

Imagine the consequences of bots farming under the map all that for a mount would be a disaster

[Lightforged]

That's what I'm saying, someone who knows about it could easily exploit this I have done modding and scripting in the past. The best solution is to create your own MPQ which will replace one mount with another.

Imagine the consequences of bots farming under the map all that for a mount would be a disaster

I see your point, however, this is already part of the Warmane policy (modding, scripting) and is illegal to do as far as I am aware. I do not believe suggestions and changes should be affected purely because of certain individuals who want to break the rules, and I cannot really see anyway that flying-mounts could help exploit map areas as they have the same ground movement and jumping as the rest of the mounts (the flying itself would still be disabled). Unless there is some sort of way to script or mod to bypass the system and actually fly, then I do not see any issue regarding this.

[Obnoxious]

No, using model replacements isn't illegal. We even had an optional download with updated models, but it caused more trouble than it was worth so we stopped supporting it. What isn't allowed is changing the land geometry and stuff of that sort.

And yes, something opening room for exploiting affects suggestions, especially when the benefit is extremely minimal and niche like this.

[Lightforged]

No, using model replacements isn't illegal. We even had an optional download with updated models, but it caused more trouble than it was worth so we stopped supporting it. What isn't allowed is changing the land geometry and stuff of that sort.

And yes, something opening room for exploiting affects suggestions, especially when the benefit is extremely minimal and niche like this.

Never said model replacement is illegal, said scripting and modding is. Re-read please. Just interesting that retail has implemented this, would think Blizzard with far more funding would know the potential to exploit this sort of feature, interesting.

[Obnoxious]

model replacement

modding

You can't be serious.

Anyway...

Just interesting that retail has implemented this, would think Blizzard with far more funding would know the potential to exploit this sort of feature, interesting.

Classic is a different game. It uses a different engine.

[Golema76]

Never said model replacement is illegal, said scripting and modding is. Re-read please. Just interesting that retail has implemented this, would think Blizzard with far more funding would know the potential to exploit this sort of feature, interesting.

Model Changing is what you might consider "modding"
"Re-read please" I think you're the one who needs glasses, Retail is not 3.3.5 anymore you can always go play there if a mount story worries you so much or as I told you modify the .m2 of one mount to another there are forums and guides for that.

Edit : Obnoxious replied before I refresh the windows

[Lightforged]

You can't be serious.

Anyway...


Classic is a different game. It uses a different engine.

I mean, there are different types of modding, and you are taking this completely out of context, as I did mention scripting as well (defamation mate) and secondly having a different engine does not change that same fact that a fly-mount does not have different ground movement mechanics that could be xploited, if you think that is the case then explain how a love-rocket is used as a ground mount (only difference here that I can see is size difference between the mounts) and could we please stick to the subject rather than fighting like kids over ego, its honestly sad.

[Lightforged]

Model Changing is what you might consider "modding"
"Re-read please" I think you're the one who needs glasses, Retail is not 3.3.5 anymore you can always go play there if a mount story worries you so much or as I told you modify the .m2 of one mount to another there are forums and guides for that.

Edit : Obnoxious replied before I refresh the windows

I mean mate you are telling me I need to go change my game files and spend hours just so I can achieve the same thing that the Love-Rocket,Horseman and Invincible can do? Because I am like 1000% sure that these mounts are both flying and non flying mounts, all I am asking is to essentially make that with every other mount. If this would be exploitable, it would've been done so already with the current universal mounts.

[Golema76]

I mean mate you are telling me I need to go change my game files and spend hours just so I can achieve the same thing that the Love-Rocket,Horseman and Invincible can do? Because I am like 1000% sure that these mounts are both flying and non flying mounts, all I am asking is to essentially make that with every other mount. If this would be exploitable, it would've been done so already with the current universal mounts.

It takes 2 minutes to make your own MPQ, 5 minutes if you start with a guide. These 3 mounts have specific animations with the space bar by default when they are on the ground and were designed to be hybrid. Even without mentioning the possible exploits, adding the other ground mounts also requires DBC changes to the server and client. It will simply never happen there is no point in arguing and insisting.

[Lightforged]

It takes 2 minutes to make your own MPQ, 5 minutes if you start with a guide. These 3 mounts have specific animations with the space bar by default when they are on the ground and were designed to be hybrid. Even without mentioning the possible exploits, adding the other ground mounts also requires DBC changes to the server and client. It will simply never happen there is no point in arguing and insisting.

No one is arguing here. Look yes it requires data base changes but that is the devs job not ours, pretty sure any suggestion that was accepted in the past required DBC changes. The whole point of a suggestion is to discuss whether it is possible, and what the potential side effects of them could be, therefore, unless you can give solid examples of these exploits with logical reasoning then I do not see the point in saying stuff that may affect the devs job and that "may cause exploits. List them and if it is very reasonable and logical ofcourse I would absolutely agree. I do not aim to suggest ideas that would promote exploits, I'd never suggest it if I would know.

There are always possibilities to everything ofcourse, I can sit here and say that having all flying mount speeds increased to 310% will have room for exploits, but does not mean there actually are any. As you can see warmane did implement that change, regarding of how small of a feature that is.

[Golema76]

Despite all the QoL implemented you always want more.
You seem to know everything about emulation, make yourself a local server with the core of your choice make the modification of the dbc make me come on it I promise you that in a few seconds I am under the map on the mount which is not supposed to be flying without using a single third-party program and not detected by the anticheat because the server will consider it as on the grounds. You clearly have no idea of the consequences that all this could entail for a matter of taste and color. I'm just going to stop answering you, it's pointless

[Lightforged]

Despite all the QoL implemented you always want more.
You seem to know everything about emulation, make yourself a local server with the core of your choice make the modification of the dbc make me come on it I promise you that in a few seconds I am under the map on the mount which is not supposed to be flying without using a single third-party program and not detected by the anticheat because the server will consider it as on the grounds. You clearly have no idea of the consequences that all this could entail for a matter of taste and color. I'm just going to stop answering you, it's pointless

I mean educate me, tell me how you would exploit it and how you would get it done. I mean you can already run with a fly-mount temporarily in Dalaran so. I just do not see what the problem is with providing facts rather than assumptions, why do I need to make a seperate server that has no plugins and devs that warmane does have, its completely irrelevent to do.