5v5 Arena Title Issue – Fair Recognition for Dedicated Teams

[frecklebg]

Hello Warmane Team,

We are a group of competitive and dedicated players who actively participate in the 5v5 arena bracket on your server. We’ve put in significant time, effort, and coordination to compete at a high level in what is arguably the most challenging and teamwork-oriented arena bracket in the game.

Despite consistently maintaining high ratings, we have noticed a major issue: 5v5 teams are not being rewarded with titles at the end of each season, while players in 2v2, 3v3, and solo queue receive full recognition and rewards, even when many of them hold lower ratings or avoid the complexities of 5v5 gameplay.

This feels incredibly discouraging to us and the small but passionate 5v5 community. It’s clear that 5v5 has a higher barrier to entry and requires more coordination than other brackets, and yet the rewards system seems to ignore our bracket entirely.

We are asking for a fair fix:

Please include 5v5 titles in seasonal rewards just like other brackets.

If population is a concern, titles can be distributed proportionally to the number of active teams.

Our efforts deserve recognition, especially when we are outperforming many players from other brackets in rating and performance.

We love playing 5v5 and we want to keep it alive on Warmane, but lack of rewards is pushing players away from this bracket. Please consider our request and give competitive 5v5 players the credit and encouragement they deserve.

We will keep this thread active to ensure the issue gets visibility.

Thank you for your time and attention.

[Poctdor]

Great idea and it would attract more players to 5v5 bracket

[jmsvanbuskirk]

I think it works the other way around. If players showed interest in 5 v 5 and played competitively then they would get rewards.

If you look at the match history of 5 v 5 teams you'll see matches against the same teams over and over. And you'll see it's teams with lower MMR getting farmed. The duration of these battles with five players is a minute or less.

In global the other day players were spamming to join 5 v 5 queue to get free wins. The bracket is still just getting used for point farm.

You look at 2 v 2 or 3 v 3 which you can actually watch because players are constantly streaming on these you will see some really intense games with actual coordination and skill. It isn't possible to farm your way to the top of those brackets.

I'm not disagreeing with you that there should be rewards, but the data isn't backing it up to where the bracket really deserves it at the level of the other brackets. I still think to your point that there should be some level of reward to motivate players to even want to play the brackets competitively. They gave out special mounts and items for 1 v 1 and holiday events as well as custom rewards for Solo Queue so I don't see why 5 v 5 couldn't have at least something. It's very clear to me that some teams are playing way more than the required amount for points which equates to effort and effort in WoW yields rewards and creates incentive. That's the whole basis of the game.

[shensigma]

Hello Warmane Team,

We are a group of competitive and dedicated players who actively participate in the 5v5 arena bracket on your server. We’ve put in significant time, effort, and coordination to compete at a high level in what is arguably the most challenging and teamwork-oriented arena bracket in the game.

Despite consistently maintaining high ratings, we have noticed a major issue: 5v5 teams are not being rewarded with titles at the end of each season, while players in 2v2, 3v3, and solo queue receive full recognition and rewards, even when many of them hold lower ratings or avoid the complexities of 5v5 gameplay.

This feels incredibly discouraging to us and the small but passionate 5v5 community. It’s clear that 5v5 has a higher barrier to entry and requires more coordination than other brackets, and yet the rewards system seems to ignore our bracket entirely.

We are asking for a fair fix:

Please include 5v5 titles in seasonal rewards just like other brackets.

If population is a concern, titles can be distributed proportionally to the number of active teams.

Our efforts deserve recognition, especially when we are outperforming many players from other brackets in rating and performance.

We love playing 5v5 and we want to keep it alive on Warmane, but lack of rewards is pushing players away from this bracket. Please consider our request and give competitive 5v5 players the credit and encouragement they deserve.

We will keep this thread active to ensure the issue gets visibility.

Thank you for your time and attention.

it's not surprise that no matter what wotlk private is out there it's no secret that 5vs5 arena bracket is truly a very neglected and abandoned bracket to play due to player base simply not caring about playing 5vs5 (heck, this was the very reason why even retail removed 5vs5 after mop. simply people did not even cared). surprisingly, tbc and wotlk are pretty much expansions where classes and pvp were mostly balanced around 3vs3 and 5vs5.

however, i believe one way to easily fix this problem is to do a very same treatment like warmane does with 3vs3 extravaganza on sundays and i mean. what about, having one day of the week (personally and preferibly tuesdays, since arena flush happens before week is due) where it is impossible to queue 2s-3s-soloq and everyplayer is forced to make a 5vs5 team and grab 4 other players into that team/group?

that way you can have:
1.) people trying a new way of pvp mode instead of just having them to play the same meta comps for 2s and 3s for the last 10 years or so.
2.) way more arena points earnings everytime arena flush happens.
3.) more recognition for prizes and possibly a chance to make real arena tournaments.
4.) easy way to gear up (specially if you are after shoulders and Tier 2 wrathfull weapons and tabard).

[Brutone]

When comparing the 3s and 5s ladder I have to say that 5s is more active.
5s has 32 teams with +2k rating while 3s has only 28 teams.
5s has 49 teams with +1900 rating while 3s has only 47 teams.

So it seems like even though 5s doesn't get promoted (5s and soloq team can't coexist, no 5s quests on Blackrock, no 5s titel), the bracket is still more populair than 3s which gets promoted.

We can say for sure that the demand to play 5s is huge so Warmane should adapt to that. They need to handout 5s titels and implement a weekly 5s quest on Blackrock!

[Brutone]

Another option would be to change the soloq quest to require soloq or 5s wins to complete it.
Like that players on Blackrock aren't forced to leave their 5s team inorder to complete the quest chain.

[shensigma]

Another option would be to change the soloq quest to require soloq or 5s wins to complete it.
Like that players on Blackrock aren't forced to leave their 5s team inorder to complete the quest chain.

that doesn't even solve the issue about people wanting to play or not 5vs5. regardless of having more options to complete that said question you mentioned, people will obviously take the soloq route since it has a faster completion pacing.

First, you really want to make people gather and think about playing 5vs5.
however, considering we want to make 5vs5 arena bracket viable and playable (either for tbc and wotlk), something should be done about it. i already proposed one idea, which is to make one whole day of the week exclusive to 5vs5 and completely disable every other bracket than 5s for said day.

[Brutone]

that doesn't even solve the issue about people wanting to play or not 5vs5. regardless of having more options to complete that said question you mentioned, people will obviously take the soloq route since it has a faster completion pacing.

First, you really want to make people gather and think about playing 5vs5.
however, considering we want to make 5vs5 arena bracket viable and playable (either for tbc and wotlk), something should be done about it. i already proposed one idea, which is to make one whole day of the week exclusive to 5vs5 and completely disable every other bracket than 5s for said day.

I assume that this thread is about 5s on TBC, not Wotlk.

[shensigma]

I assume that this thread is about 5s on TBC, not Wotlk.

probably yeah, since the problem is never issued towards either tbc or wotlk, however. from my perspective, i will count towards both since once people step forward to wotlk, 5vs5 will be gone from people's radar.

however, if we also count 5vs5 for wotlk, i would absolutely try to play it in case something is done about it.

[Obnoxious]

i already proposed one idea, which is to make one whole day of the week exclusive to 5vs5 and completely disable every other bracket than 5s for said day.

This is absurd. You don't get people playing something they aren't interested in by just removing what they wanted to play instead for a day. If I was into PvP, that sort of attempt to force me to do something would make me go look for another place to play.

The plain fact is most people straight up aren't interested in 5v5 and that's blatant - if they were, they would be doing it already. Having to take measures and give special treatment to try to get more people doing it just makes that even more evident - you're trying to draw people in with the promise of rewards and the threat of FoMO, not because they care about doing it in the first place.

[shensigma]

This is absurd. You don't get people playing something they aren't interested in by just removing what they wanted to play instead for a day. If I was into PvP, that sort of attempt to force me to do something would make me go look for another place to play.

The plain fact is most people straight up aren't interested in 5v5 and that's blatant - if they were, they would be doing it already. Having to take measures and give special treatment to try to get more people doing it just makes that even more evident - you're trying to draw people in with the promise of rewards and the threat of FoMO, not because they care about doing it in the first place.

I never mentioned something about wanted to being "removed" (as if it was even possible?). my idea was just to have something like 3vs3 extravaganza hour but on a bigger scale and adapted into 5vs5 wotlk format. and that was just one idea, people can still submit something different from mines. (I won't mention 5vs5 tbc format since in that expansion, undoubtly, rogue-priest are the uncontested meta and the other classes have no other choice to play 5vs5 if they want to have a chance to play and be viable).

Wrong. there are way more reasons than just "aren't interested". I can give you the fact that gather 4 other dudes into one teams is really hard, specially if you have 0 socials skills into interacting and be friendly with people and at that extent, that's people's/player's fault, not the game itself. another reason why people refuses to play 5vs5 at least in wotlk is that they don't want to encounter any threats of being banned due to win-trading or something alike since the bracket irself is pretty much abandoned.

besides, even if people were forced to play one single bracket for the whole day, you either: a.) can skip that day and do any other in-game activity b.) gather people to play 5vs5 c.) do something else besides gaming,etc.

about the Fomo thing. the game itself rewards you with gear by doing 5vs5 too, therefor, rewards are already there.

[jmsvanbuskirk]

(I won't mention 5vs5 tbc format since in that expansion, undoubtly, rogue-priest are the uncontested meta and the other classes have no other choice to play 5vs5 if they want to have a chance to play and be viable).

I believe this thread is talking about 5 v 5 in TBC. And as far as rogue-priest being uncontested that would be false. The suggestion is asking for rewards for 5s teams on Onyxia because there were a great deal of participants.

You just totally hijacked this thread and made it about WotLK low activity in 5s and added your own random off topic suggestions. There is actually no confirmation that low activity in 5s was the reason no rewards were given for the bracket on Onyxia. The argument is more about the competitive nature of the bracket and that rewards could promote more competition.

[jmsvanbuskirk]

I was wondering though how the arena rating requirement on items will influence this next season. 5 v 5 can be used to get BIS level weapons and gear for PvE. That would drive activity into the 5 v 5 bracket and require more competition and games to get a higher rating. So there is a much better chance next season for rewards.

[Brutone]

I was wondering though how the arena rating requirement on items will influence this next season.

I assume that rating requirements on gear will boost the 5s activity even more because there are many specs, such as ele shami, destro lock or holy pala which are only viable in 5s. After all 5s is the most balanced arena bracket and as I said, 5s is already more active than 3s right now! These are all huge arguments for a 5s titel reward and 5s weekly quests on Blackrock!

[Obnoxious]

I never mentioned something about wanted to being "removed" (as if it was even possible?).

Your words were literally to disable any other type of arena that isn't 5v5. If you're seriously going to say that disabling and removing from being accessed are different things, replying was a waste of time.

Wrong. there are way more reasons than just "aren't interested". I can give you the fact that gather 4 other dudes into one teams is really hard, specially if you have 0 socials skills into interacting and be friendly with people and at that extent, that's people's/player's fault, not the game itself. another reason why people refuses to play 5vs5 at least in wotlk is that they don't want to encounter any threats of being banned due to win-trading or something alike since the bracket irself is pretty much abandoned.

If you have zero social skills and can't interact or be friendly, how do you expect to get into a consistent 5v5 team in the first place? Are you going to suggest that on top of removing 2v2 and 3v3 a whole day every week that people should be also forced to accept anyone who wants to join teams?

besides, even if people were forced to play one single bracket for the whole day, you either: a.) can skip that day and do any other in-game activity b.) gather people to play 5vs5 c.) do something else besides gaming,etc.

How about we disable 5v5 completely and you can a) skip playing arenas, b) play the other two types of arena, c) do something else? Sounds good and fair to you?

about the Fomo thing. the game itself rewards you with gear by doing 5vs5 too, therefor, rewards are already there.

And even with there already being rewards, the interest isn't enough or reliable, with people who don't have those rewards quitting anyway according to this thread. Thanks for proving my point.