Blackrock TBC crossrealm fiesta

[ItsMardyVain]

The PvP environment on Onyxia is the result of the HK farming at bridge in AV which lasted for months, in which people got r14 by afking 24/7 and not much was done to prevent that. In the end people got bored, and those who really wanted to do PvP simply left because of the system in place.

Back on topic, many of my friends were planning to come back when TBC launch, and since they mostly do pvp they are likely joining Blackrock. Regardless of my previous posts on the subject, I believe my biggest concern is that linking arenas and bgs between the two realms might negatively affect the population on Onyxia (similarly, we might see less alts around as people might roll them on Blackrock, meaning less PVE activity overall).

On the other hand, I honestly cannot 100% blame those who are happy about the merge. TBC is definitely time consuming: reputations farming and attunements might be a chore to some, so I can understand why a portion of the playerbase wants to skip that to play the mode they prefer.

Personally I am more annoyed by the merging of the two philosophies (progressive blizzlike with QoL, and insta-70 pvp only). This is not what was Onyxia was advertised at the beginning, so honestly no wonder at the moment this change is not welcomed by everyone (myself included).

[Blakeatron]

No I'm talking about PvP over all Vanilla because this has been an issue for months now. They stopped playing a while ago.

What you're referring to isn't on people's radar. For one it's an assumption and not a guarantee as that data can easily be reset on the expansion. And two these players left a long time ago and didn't care to finish out Vanilla content. No incentive anymore. There's no season 4 here, the content ended a long time ago in PvP.

I understand why they stopped. But they now have a reason to come back to prep and cap, and they aren't. You're right, it's not on their radar. Because min/maxing PvP-related activities in TBC isn't a priority for them.

Why would someone who is concerned about the min/maxing of gear progression on Onyxia versus Blackrock not want the ability to purchase 2-3 items off the bat right on launch?

[jmsvanbuskirk]

The PvP environment on Onyxia is the result of the HK farming at bridge in AV which lasted for months, in which people got r14 by afking 24/7 and not much was done to prevent that. In the end people got bored, and those who really wanted to do PvP simply left because of the system in place.

Back on topic, many of my friends were planning to come back when TBC launch, and since they mostly do pvp they are likely joining Blackrock. Regardless of my previous posts on the subject, I believe my biggest concern is that linking arenas and bgs between the two realms might negatively affect the population on Onyxia (similarly, we might see less alts around as people might roll them on Blackrock, meaning less PVE activity overall).

On the other hand, I honestly cannot 100% blame those who are happy about the merge. TBC is definitely time consuming: reputations farming and attunements might be a chore to some, so I can understand why a portion of the playerbase wants to skip that to play the mode they prefer.

Personally I am more annoyed by the merging of the two philosophies (progressive blizzlike with QoL, and insta-70 pvp only). This is not what was Onyxia was advertised at the beginning, so honestly no wonder at the moment this change is not welcomed by everyone (myself included).

The bracket system like in retail wasn't going to work on a decaying private server. So makes sense why they tried that. They did stop the feeding on the bridge at least. But past that honestly that's how AV was on Vanilla. Games lasting for several hours to days because you got stuck at these bottlenecks and nobody could get the advantage. For sure it was getting abused, but also many times it actually wasn't winnable. They tried things like ice/forest lord, but ya that's why it changed in later expansions, it isn't very much fun doing that over and over.

I definitely agree with your final thought on merging these two different ideas. I don't think it will hurt things a lot, but it really isn't that necessary to supplement PvP because TBC worked out the wrinkles in Vanilla. And also TBC PvP and the player base coming to play are not the same as what Warmane has dealt with in the past. They can't know what will happen so it wouldn't be in their best interest to launch this type of realm unless they had some solid data first. That's why I recommended releasing a Blackrock concept later to fix an issue if there actually was one.

[Butkus]

this is what we are dealing with...

HOW TO GET SHADOWMOURE on blackrock...

You can either get it for 2520 arena points with 1800 rating in any bracket, or you can get if for 25 coins in the shop.

yeah yeah its TBC not wrath but this will be wrath soon as well so its all the same
if the best item most op'ed item in wrath shadowmoure can be had for 2520 arena points on blackrock.. any and all items from TBC will also be easy for blackrock to get for AP..like warglaives!

warglaives has a what 5% drop rate?.. on blackrock it will be on a vendor for arena points!

so thats a 5% chance drop rate once a week vs.. 24/7 buyable from a vendor for ap on blackrock...
thats a hard one to figure out.. whats easier?

epics and legendarys..


onxyia?yeah go raid ICC 25 man and wait your turn...rare moutns from raid drops.. blackrock gets them from a vendor to..

how anyone thinks thats fair.. some posts in here sound like used cars salesmen..

do what some players here are telling us to do guys...play on blackrock! why waste time leveling up from 60-70 on onxyia when you can get instant 70 and have fun? seasonal server and all just get right into the game play.

[shlax]

unlikely will happen blackrock is more money for them if they do make it seperate i would be suprised

[Apraxes]

I'm a serious PvP player that still plays on Vanilla PvP and got R14. None of the players I know will be rolling Blackrock either. It doesn't make sense.

Day 1 in just Karazhan you got half the server with epic weapons. Gorehowl, Despair, Sunfury Bow, Spiteblade etc. plus I have so much gold I'll just buy all the crafted gear and gems/enchants like nothing. And absolutely we're already honor/mark capped as well as a bunch of us having full T3 level gear to start.

There isn't anything they can do to make Blackrock on a level playing field. That's why I say it will be the noob server. That's what will happen. A lot of people I know are upset about the decision which sucks, but that's why I don't care about it. Bring on the easy targets.

This dude here is the only one that thinks in this thread.

Everyone here is assuming that ****ters who roll on Blackrock for easy gear have the skill to back up the gear.

Every halfway serious player is on Onyxia already simply because we're all ****ing addicts to the Skinner effect and we want long term investments. And if you play halfway serious with raiding and BGs and arena, 98% of the time you end up on top gear wise.

Guess whos gonna roll on Blackrock? 13 year olds who don't have the mental capacity for longterm investments.

You all really afraid of those type of players.


If and when Glaives actually hit Blackrock easily accessible, we can talk about this topic again. Until then you all just gotta ****ing step up your game and dont expect to be on top of the foodchain with 3 hrs / week invested.


Holy ****ing ****. Like the blackrock guys spawn with bis gear and only need to spend 1 copper to get better gear and then play that server for the entire lifetime of Onyxia. Most of them will play 20 BGs and then either dip or come back to Onyxia. And the ones that ACTUALLY GAME on Blackrock and ACTUALLY impact BGs and Arenas, deserve it anyhow cause it's not the gear that carries them but their skill.

[alexjones]

this is what we are dealing with...

HOW TO GET SHADOWMOURE on blackrock...

You can either get it for 2520 arena points with 1800 rating in any bracket, or you can get if for 25 coins in the shop.

yeah yeah its TBC not wrath but this will be wrath soon as well so its all the same
if the best item most op'ed item in wrath shadowmoure can be had for 2520 arena points on blackrock.. any and all items from TBC will also be easy for blackrock to get for AP..like warglaives!

warglaives has a what 5% drop rate?.. on blackrock it will be on a vendor for arena points!

so thats a 5% chance drop rate once a week vs.. 24/7 buyable from a vendor for ap on blackrock...
thats a hard one to figure out.. whats easier?

epics and legendarys..


onxyia?yeah go raid ICC 25 man and wait your turn...rare moutns from raid drops.. blackrock gets them from a vendor to..

how anyone thinks thats fair.. some posts in here sound like used cars salesmen..

do what some players here are telling us to do guys...play on blackrock! why waste time leveling up from 60-70 on onxyia when you can get instant 70 and have fun? seasonal server and all just get right into the game play.

If they decide to sell warglaives anywhere (big if), I think it is guaranteed that they are going to offer them for sale on both servers, not just one. So your entire point makes no sense.

[Blakeatron]

This dude here is the only one that thinks in this thread.

Everyone here is assuming that ****ters who roll on Blackrock for easy gear have the skill to back up the gear.

Every halfway serious player is on Onyxia already simply because we're all ****ing addicts to the Skinner effect and we want long term investments. And if you play halfway serious with raiding and BGs and arena, 98% of the time you end up on top gear wise.

Guess whos gonna roll on Blackrock? 13 year olds who don't have the mental capacity for longterm investments.

You all really afraid of those type of players.


If and when Glaives actually hit Blackrock easily accessible, we can talk about this topic again. Until then you all just gotta ****ing step up your game and dont expect to be on top of the foodchain with 3 hrs / week invested.


Holy ****ing ****. Like the blackrock guys spawn with bis gear and only need to spend 1 copper to get better gear and then play that server for the entire lifetime of Onyxia. Most of them will play 20 BGs and then either dip or come back to Onyxia. And the ones that ACTUALLY GAME on Blackrock and ACTUALLY impact BGs and Arenas, deserve it anyhow cause it's not the gear that carries them but their skill.

Care to make a side bet for top 10 ladder season 1 in 2s? I'll take majority Blackrock, you can take majority Onyxia.

[verksm]

this is what we are dealing with...

HOW TO GET SHADOWMOURE on blackrock...

You can either get it for 2520 arena points with 1800 rating in any bracket, or you can get if for 25 coins in the shop.

yeah yeah its TBC not wrath but this will be wrath soon as well so its all the same
if the best item most op'ed item in wrath shadowmoure can be had for 2520 arena points on blackrock.. any and all items from TBC will also be easy for blackrock to get for AP..like warglaives!

warglaives has a what 5% drop rate?.. on blackrock it will be on a vendor for arena points!

so thats a 5% chance drop rate once a week vs.. 24/7 buyable from a vendor for ap on blackrock...
thats a hard one to figure out.. whats easier?

epics and legendarys..


onxyia?yeah go raid ICC 25 man and wait your turn...rare moutns from raid drops.. blackrock gets them from a vendor to..

how anyone thinks thats fair.. some posts in here sound like used cars salesmen..

do what some players here are telling us to do guys...play on blackrock! why waste time leveling up from 60-70 on onxyia when you can get instant 70 and have fun? seasonal server and all just get right into the game play.

I'm sorry but are you confusing SHADOWMOURNE with SHADOW'S EDGE? Because to acquire SHADOWMOURNE on Blackrock you have to endure a 12+ chain quest with being able to complete only 1 per week, so at least several weeks before even thinking of SHADOWMOURNE and some of the quests are actually pretty difficult and buying SHADOWMOURNE with coins is 150, not 25.
On old Outland TBC realm Warglaives were for sale for 200 coins each so there is that.

Since we have not seen a Blackrock style TBC including Warglaives yet one can only guess that Warmane staff might invent a similar quest chain compared to the SHADOWMOURNE one including weeks of waiting.

[Obnoxious]

I'm sorry but are you confusing SHADOWMOURNE with SHADOW'S EDGE? Because to acquire SHADOWMOURNE on Blackrock you have to endure a 12+ chain quest with being able to complete only 1 per week, so at least several weeks before even thinking of SHADOWMOURNE and some of the quests are actually pretty difficult and buying SHADOWMOURNE with coins is 150, not 25.
On old Outland TBC realm Warglaives were for sale for 200 coins each so there is that.

Since we have not seen a Blackrock style TBC including Warglaives yet one can only guess that Warmane staff might invent a similar quest chain compared to the SHADOWMOURNE one including weeks of waiting.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone who plays on Blackrock to point out the bull**** being vomited about "hurr durr ez chadmorning"...

[Blakeatron]

As previously stated, never change, Butkus. We love you bro.

[Blakeatron]

Also, 200 coins each is wild, but makes sense. I'd imagine they'll get a few purchases from the blackrock rogues in s3.

[Butkus]

I'm sorry but are you confusing SHADOWMOURNE with SHADOW'S EDGE? Because to acquire SHADOWMOURNE on Blackrock you have to endure a 12+ chain quest with being able to complete only 1 per week, so at least several weeks before even thinking of SHADOWMOURNE and some of the quests are actually pretty difficult and buying SHADOWMOURNE with coins is 150, not 25.
On old Outland TBC realm Warglaives were for sale for 200 coins each so there is that.

Since we have not seen a Blackrock style TBC including Warglaives yet one can only guess that Warmane staff might invent a similar quest chain compared to the SHADOWMOURNE one including weeks of waiting.

i copied and pasted from warmanes sticky's on the forums..

spin to win! spin to win!

"You can either get it for 2520 arena points with 1800 rating in any bracket"
you seem to have skipped that part..

guess what?just use that info as a general guild line from what they have done before on blackrock and whats going on now with the info we have...warglaives on blackrock will happen 100%! think how bad the QQ would be from blackrock players if warmane didnt give them warglaves..lol look at this thread.

you guys already asked for a mount on blackrock lol...

again play on blackrock less time investment and 100% gear progression


onxyia- Warglaives have a 5% drop rate..after killing last boss in BT..

blackrock- you sound so dumb.. it will take a whole month of capping in arena to get the 2400 arena points needed for Warglaives on blackrock...

onxyia- just a month? that seems fair to you?

blackrock- stop talking about trinkets... skill matter more thats why shadowmoure is needed on blackrock..

[verksm]

I was wondering how long it would take for someone who plays on Blackrock to point out the bull**** being vomited about "hurr durr ez chadmorning"...

Nah bro, I'm out. Your turn XD and a lot of .... ....

[Blakeatron]

We're so lucky live in this timeline. This is gold.